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fandomsecrets2013-10-08 06:43 pm
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(Anonymous) 2013-10-09 01:27 am (UTC)(link)Yes, there are slash fans, but there are also a huge number of anti-slash fans (see above) who dismiss the possibility of gay relationships or feelings in shows. Maybe it's a small thing, but saying, for example, "There is NO WAY that Dean and Castiel could ever have romantic feelings toward each other and anyone who interprets them that way is a delusional batshit fangirl" is a problem to me. It's making characters straight by default and refusing to let them experience any fluidity whatsoever in their sexuality. It's one thing if you don't like it, or don't see it, but throwing it away without even considering it - especially when, apparently, the creators deliberately throw in "moments" (so I've gathered from this thread, I don't watch it).
No, I don't watch the show and can't comment on the validity of any pairing. But when I see comments like "they're wasting their time, it's never going to happen" I wonder why it has to be that it's never going to happen, or why we should assume that a gay pairing is just a kink or something and not a legitimate reading of the story.
Yes, I want to live in a society that recognizes that people who have straight relationships could still have a gay relationship, that "straight" people might be bi or incidentally bi, and I would like media and its fans to reflect that. Call me a troll for this ~crazy talk~ and denying that many fandoms are as progressive about sexuality as you think.
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I'd like to see more representation, and representation that doesn't pigeon-hole gay people into stupid tropy roles (if you've seen my other comments on why I don't want Destiel in particular to be canon, you'll know that's my reason why).
One of the things I dislike about the attitude of refusing to acknowledge subtext in something is that if the subtext is so blatant people accuse it of being queer-baiting, there really has to be something there.
Even when the subtext fans see is not as obvious, denying it is denying the interpretations of other people and saying they are not allowed to think for themselves.
The only reason why I personally have opinions that run close to "It's never going to happen" is because I look at the track record of the show and believe that it has a pattern that precludes a gay relationship between lead characters. Track a show's trend and you will see how it will keep carrying on.
And as for how progressive fandoms may be, I may just see the happy slasher side of many of the fandoms I get into. I don't go out of my way to get involved in ship wars or fights between slashers and anti-slashers since it tends to leave a bitter taste in mouth (especially due to past personal experience that way).
(P.S. I'm straight, I'm a slasher, I'm generally in support of representation. I'm also rather a cynic too.)
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For two, I think (though I also don't watch the show) that the reason people think it won't happen has to do with their gauging the likelihood of the writers wanting/being willing to write it, not their personal beliefs on whether it should/could happen. I think many if not all would agree with you that there is something problematic about het pairing + subtext = endgame, slash pairing + subtext = queerbaiting being the current norm in media like this.
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