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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-10-08 06:43 pm

[ SECRET POST #2471 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2471 ⌋

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DA (with something of a tl;dr)

(Anonymous) 2013-10-09 04:34 am (UTC)(link)
It also rather uncomfortably opens a can of worms as to when someone can "officially" choose what their sexual orientation is, regardless of where they fall on the spectrum.

I mean....can a guy identify as gay under this standard if he's only held hands and kissed, but never had penetrative sex? And does he have to try both top and bottom first? Is a woman not straight until her virginity is taken away by a man? Is a lesbian not official until she's been brought to orgasm via cunnilingus with another woman? (and is a woman who has been penetrated by a man but didn't enjoy it because she wasn't attracted to men at the time "straight" until she has sex with a woman?)

And god knows what happens to anyone who has gender reassignment procedures. Do they have to "prove" their sexuality all over again if they engaged in sexual acts BEFORE the surgery?

Yeah. I'm pretty sure that nobody on the SPN writing staff has any intention of Dean being anything but straight. But "he's straight because he's never done anything with a man" is pretty much the same as "dogs have tails. My cat has a tail. Therefore, my cat is a dog".

Re: DA (with something of a tl;dr)

(Anonymous) 2013-10-09 02:00 pm (UTC)(link)
This and AYRT are trying so hard to miss the point that I can only assume you're doing it on purpose.

It's not that "this man had sex with this woman, therefore he is straight". Sexuality in the real world does not work that way, that is correct. However, Dean Winchester as portrayed on the TV series Supernatural is a 2-dimensional character. We only see certain parts of his life, and all we have to go on are those parts. And they suggest that he is only interested in women. Trying to apply real-world nuances to a fictional character that has been designed to behave a certain way is ridiculous.

I'm done with this conversation.

AYRT

(Anonymous) 2013-10-09 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
You may be done with it, but no, I don't think it's ridiculous to apply real-world nuances to fictional characters. There's a reason we talk about "well-rounded characters".

As I said, I don't think Dean is ever going to be written as gay and therefore will never be so.

But I ALSO think that your statement that real world nuances never apply to fictional characters is silly and kind of dismisses everyone who ever wrote a character that went on a personal journey or changed who he was over the course of the narrative.