[ SECRET POST #2472 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2472 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Whitechapel]


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[Hannibal]


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[Bartender]


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[WTNV]


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[Agents of SHIELD]


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[Agents of SHIELD]


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08.
[kill la kill]


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[Gravity]


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[Revenge]


















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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

First it was Dutch. And second, you do realize that "folkloric figure" was a black man named "Black Pete" and that people there were actually doing black face rather than what is going on in Hannibal, which is painting someone up like a monster. The two are different.

A non-black person* putting on make-up to make them look like an exaggerated black person (black paint for the face and red make-up for the lips) = black face.

Anyone putting on dark make-up to make themselves look like a non-human = not black face.

(*I don't use the term white person because black face pops up everywhere not just in European dominated countries. For example, black face is not that uncommon in Japan.)

[(Anonymous)]

But it's also different in Japan, if I'm thinking about what you are. The people with the bleached hair and dark-painted skin aren't trying to be caricatures.

[(Anonymous)]

No, not Ganguro girls. Which I don't consider black face since they aren't trying to mimic black people but tanned, California style beach girls. I mean actual black face. (Like this for example - http://www.streetcarnage.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/blackface11.jpg)

[(Anonymous)]

I lived in Japan and I saw REAL black face. Like, people dressing in "black woman" costumes (it pops up on my facebook because a mutual friend is tagged posing with this... blacface person... on several different occasions). Plus, black caricature images can be seen on advertisements and stuff, and that isn't rare. I've also seen lots of "Native American" costumes/face paint.

So yeah... it isn't just white people.

[shinyhappypanic]

question: how do you feel about yesung, a korean singer who painted himself black for a nick fury cosplay? the kpop fan community was really divided about whether or not it counted as blackface. it wasn't like that picture of gikwang eating watermelon in hoop earrings that you posted below.

[(Anonymous)]

The only time you really need to paint your skin is if you are doing a non-human cosplay. Otherwise, hair and costume trump skin color if you are trying to dress up as another person. And that's because unless you color your skin when you are cosplaying as a non-human, people are going to assume that you are cosplaying as a human. Like for example, say you dressed up as a Homestuck demon but you didn't paint your skin gray. People are going to assume that you are doing a human form of a Homestuck demon. However, since Nick Fury is already a human, you don't need to do that. What you need is the correct hair and costume. Because people will read this as a uniform and put it the correct person you are cosplaying.

Or to put it simply. You see someone with gray skin and horns, your mind goes to Homestuck. You see someone dressed in black, bald with an eye patch, you head goes to Nick Fury. It doesn't matter what the cosplayers skin color is.

[(Anonymous)]

If a white person cosplays a black person and paints their skin, it's blackface and totally offensive. But if a white person cosplays a black person WITHOUT painting their skin, it's white washing and still totally offensive. A white person simply can't show their appreciation for POC characters through cosplay. Or at least that's what SJW people have told me. And at least that "white washing" part feels really, really weird to me.

[(Anonymous)]

Your opinion is ill-informed.

Firstly: Black Pete is an elf, a saint, or the companion of a saint, depending on which bit of lore you follow. Either way, he is a loved part of an entirely different country's heritage.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwarte_Piet

Secondly: Black Pete wears the clothes of a Moor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morisco
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moors

If you don't bother to read, Moors are medieval Muslims of either north African or Arab descent, living in either Spain or Africa. So, Black Pete is not based on African Americans or solely Africans.

This is also important because of the origin of black face, which is an American thing that we exported.

Third: Black face first occurred as a theatrical makeup. A notable example of its use is in the film Birth of a Nation, (an American film) in which white actors used black face paint to 'simulate' being a black person so that the white actors wouldn't have to talk to actual black people on film. They thought it was super revolutionary to have non-speaking black people as extras in the background. It came about after the Dutch tradition and culturally related solely to the racial tensions in the United States, not anything that was going on in Europe at the time.

Fourth: Your ethnocentrism is staggering. Just because wearing black makeup in the U.S. or Great Britain means one thing, it certainly doesn't mean the same thing to everyone everywhere.

Fifth: Saying "non-black person wearing black makeup" is too simplistic - especially since a black person in black makeup can have an equally ugly meaning behind it - historically and in other countries, two things that you seem unwilling to consider.

You opinion, while undoubtedly well-meaning, is ill informed and simplistic.

[(Anonymous)]

Still sounds like blackface to me sorry to say. Your long-standing cultural tradition may have originated separately from American blackface, but it's the same thing. Painting yourself another color to look like you're based on a real race of people is only non-racist in a country that has never had a history of racism, which is none of them, and certainly not the Netherlands. The difference is that America can admit its blackface ~traditions~ were racist, and you still won't.

[(Anonymous)]

I'm nearly positive that 'racist' doesn't mean what you think it means.

Also, way to miss a cultural cue.

[(Anonymous)]

So basically this is yet another "America is so progressive and superior to you backwards Europeans".

Yeah, right.

[(Anonymous)]

Either that, or they're saying "Americans are offended by it, so you should stop."

Nevermind the fact that America does plenty of culturally insensitive things, and don't give two fucks when people from that culture complain about it or ask them to stop. (e.g. the current Redskins debate is a prime example)

[(Anonymous)]

While I agree with your point in general, I have to ask: did whatever group the Redskins are based on tell them to stop? *is interested*

[(Anonymous)]

Several, repeatedly, ad nauseam.

[(Anonymous)]

Although I guarantee you that the SJWs objecting to your European possibly-blackface are also strenuously opposed to the Redskins thing.

[(Anonymous)]

Or Europe saying, "We don't care if we live in a globalized world, we like what we do and we are going to do it even if it offensive." (goes back to sticking head in sand.

[(Anonymous)]

Every country says that with regard to other cultures' mores. Or are you going to suggest that everyone in America give up eating beef? 'Cause let me assure you, there are people who find that offensive.

And while you're at it, ban the use of 'paddy wagons' in common speech and all reference to them. 'Cause that's an actual racial slur.

It's ridiculous for one culture to assume that it's the bestest, rightest culture ever and all the other ones ought to erase everything that might ever offend it.

[(Anonymous)]

Except not, because Irish(hi whiteys) isn't a race.

[(Anonymous)]

Have you never gotten a job? It's right there among all the other ones.

[(Anonymous)]

They weren't considered to be white back in the day, which is part of why the english wouldn't hire them.

[(Anonymous)]

Lol yeah no.

[(Anonymous)]

Do you know what a dark elf is?

That's Scandinavian in origin. It has nothing to do with other cultures or races. None.

The only legit cause you maybe have for complaint is the later addition of the Moorish clothes and later portrayal. But the rest of it is rooted in ancient culture.