[ SECRET POST #2473 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2473 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 012 secrets from Secret Submission Post #353.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[fscom]

10. http://i.imgur.com/B91R7Zo.png

[(Anonymous)]

I like small, contained, universes more because then you have more time to discover new things, but I like keeping one or two long running expanded series along too so you have a fandom that's gonna exist for a while.

But yeah, I do wish things would be more contained all and all. It makes it hard to jump into long running series.

[tasogare_n_hime]

Not nearly as bad as being in a comics fandom, or something with a huge extended universe like Star Wars, but I kinda understand where you are coming from. My current fandom obsession, Last Exile has a lot of info that probably should have been in the series itself exclusive to the art books which are only available in Japanese, hard to find, and freaking expensive.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah the cries of all of us who only played Kingdom Hearts on the PS...

[queerwolf]

I don't like this either. One of my fandoms has a book that I don't consider part of canon. I don't think the creator has said either way. Whenever I read a fic that includes something from the book as canon fact, I just roll my eyes and keep reading.

IT'S GREEDY TO MAKE A LOT OF THE THING I LIKE!

[chardmonster]

IT'S GREEDY TO WANT TO MAKE MONEY MAKING THINGS!

(Dude I know it's annoying but come on, now. Greedy?)

Re: IT'S GREEDY TO MAKE A LOT OF THE THING I LIKE!

[(Anonymous)]

If you listen to George Lucas or Peter Jackson bashers, that's what it's all about. *rolls eyes*

I like the font

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with the secret, but mainly here for the font choice.

[(Anonymous)]

Yep.

I fucking hate it when everyone expects you to jump on the bandwagon and keep supporting some extension, retcon, novel tie-in, bullshit like that and judge you if you don't.

When I like something, I draw the line, this is what I like, I will not accept anyone's book, movie, MMO, comic, whatever, and if people get butthurt about that, they can fuck off.

[(Anonymous)]

There are people in the Mass Effect fandom who are going

"The Kaidan comic may be crappy and ret-conny, but if you don't buy the it BW will use it as an indicator that Kaidan merchandise doesn't sell and won't make any more!"

No fucking no, the art is fucking horrible and the comic butchers his character and makes it look like he want apeshit and killed his shitty turian instructor when he injured a girl Kaidan liked when Kaidan says in the first game that after he broke Rahna's arm Vyrnnus began beating Kaidan when he objected and then pulled a knife on him, only then did Kaidan lash out and kill him in self-fucking defence.


So, no I'm not going to buy a shitty comic just because it's about my favourite character.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

aww, that's awful, I haven't played ME in a while, but I like Kaidan.

I wouldn't support crappy art about my favorite character, either. Especially if they retcon their story like that. Kaidan's story means something and it shouldn't be changed. I really hate it when they change the story to make it more grimdarks and more out of control when it wasn't, ugh!

I once had someone crying at me because I wouldn't play SWTOR and support the continuation of KOTOR.

I just don't get into MMOs, and I didn't care for the retcon, the books, or the comics. I'd rather keep my own version in my head, but people really take offense to that, as if you owe BW something.

[(Anonymous)]

I hate the word retcon. But then, I'm in Kingdom Hearts which is great for those of us who don't like 100% reliable narration from NPCs. However, the fandom loves to scream RETCON every time something they don't like happens.

They're also notorious, granted, for saying only games on consoles count. I'm waiting for the epic fallout that will be their confusion once KH3 hits and they realize that, no, no, every single game contributed something.

[elysian]

In that case, I suggest you stay far away from the .hack// fandom, which does this to a ridiculous extent. It's split into three 'generations' - R:1, R:2 and R:X/Force Era - all of which contain multiple games, anime series, OVAs, manga retellings of games, spinoff manga, CG movies and light novels, which range all the way from excellent down to garbage, and at least half are considered non-canon.

Besides that, a bunch of people get nostalgic over R:1 and dislike R:2 (while personally I love R:2 and have minimal interest in R:1), and both groups unite to bash the godawful main title in R:X (though a handful of people like that too).

Oh, and now there's also a mobile game called Guilty Dragon, which involves card battles, and 70% of the cards seem to showcase scantily-clad .hack// ladies leaning forwards.

[crazed_delusion]

Omg I complete forgot about .hack

*goes and gets lost in old fandom video game lane*

[(Anonymous)]

Is it the actual reading/watching/playing of these things that bothers you, or is it the buying?

Entertainment is a business. People work hard on those things, they deserve payment. If something is popular, of course they are going to branch out and make as much money from it as they can.

If you don't feel like consuming a piece of media, you don't have to.

[(Anonymous)]

I know what you mean. I just read Night Film by Marisha Pessl and there are add-ons attached to an app. I'm like, no way am I downloading this app. This a book and I'm going to read it. You want to make movies, make movies. The twain shall not meet.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, and it's not about the money. AFAIK the app is free. It's about the principle.

[otakugal15]

See, I prefer canons where the EU is NOT canon. It allows me to pick and choose which books I want in my headcanon for said characters. Sure, it makes discussion with other fans a minefield, but hey, you can say "not canon, so nyeh."

Where as universes, like Star Wars, where ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING is canon to some degree, makes for a sloppy mess of a timeline and you have too many things that end up contradicting each other.

It's why I'm secretly hoping Disney does away with the EU that takes place AFTER episode 6 and starting anew with the new films. Though that still leaves the Clone Wars comics, The Clone Wars cartoon series, and the little Clone Wars shorts that all kind of much a 3 year war into something that lasted 10 or more...

But anywho, I do get what you feel in a way. It's why I LOVE Star Trek novels. They aren't canon at all~

edit: Now, this doesn't mean that I don't enjoy things like Star Wars, I very much do, but I hate how some info contradicts other things and it gets confusing. It's why even in a universe like that, I tend to pick and choose what I will and will not accept as canon.

(DON'T get me started on the KOTOR/SWTOR fandom right now re:Revan. i don't have much stake since i never played KOTOR, but i HATE the insistence that Revan is female and SHOULD BE FEMALE RWAR and have hot lesbian sex with bastila. nothing wrong with that as a personal headcanon cause that's cool, but it gets coupled with this idea that Revan should be female cause SUPER POWERFUL FEMALE JEDI/SITH CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY, which ends up excluding so many other awesome and powerful female characters in the SW EU and canon movie!verse. i fucking hate that.
say what you will about the novel (was it perfect? nope. but as a quick read, i enjoyed it), but stop putting your personal headcanons in as THE canon. jesus)

[(Anonymous)]

Trek novels were exactly what I thought of when I saw this secret. They're (and this is not an insult in any way) just fic. Glorious, book-length, book-shaped fic, and some of them are complete crap, and some of them open your eyes to a character in ways you never thought about before, but one can contradict another and nobody cares because they're about the show, not part of the show, written by people who love it as much as you do.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

The one saving grace I feel Transformers has is though anything and everything is canon, it's also a multiverse, so you put your hand up and say "Not my timeline!".

[(Anonymous)]

So... are they saying Ventress doesn't exist? Because Ventress is HBIC, and I refuse to allow my Sith queen to be erased.

[bored_bitch]

One of my favorite webcomics kind of does this.
They have the main free comic, but then a bunch of others that tell a SHIT LOAD about the main comic's story behind a paywall.

If you don't pay for those extra comics, good fucking luck understanding some major plot points and characterizations in the story.
You better just hope that someone who HAS read them decides to comment and explain in the comic's forum so you understand.

I understand that people want to make money. But if that material becomes necessary to understand some major details of your story, that story would be better set behind a paywall to begin with, instead of fragmenting it like this and telling an incomplete and confusing tale to your free viewers.

[(Anonymous)]

On one hand I sorta agree. I don't want to buy extra stuff to get the whole story and I don't like starting new series if I know they're gonna be a huge undertaking. On the other hand, I'm a Doctor Who fan.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't mind the idea of an expanded universe - that is having extra stuff, be it books, games, toys, what have you. But I don't like the idea of having to buy extra stuff to get key plot points. If I am watching a TV show I should not have to go online to get that all important missing scene on the website. I should not have play an online game or read comic books.

Yes, show business is a business, and the job is to get as much money as they can, but if they are going product has big gaping whole in it, and make be buy more stuff to fill in the gaps, I am not going to a happy customer and I will be less likely to buy the next thing the producers make.

[quantumreality]

Me too, anon. There are some fandoms I took one look at and was all like "Nope I'm done" because you have to read like a half dozen books sprawling over umpty time periods, or you need to watch X, Y and Z to get the full canonical picture.

Also, some computer games. I think I could get to like Command & Conquer, but the multiple timelines and multiple versions - I don't like that because keeping all that straight seems like more work than I'd like.