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I kind of like hipsters. I like the weirdness of their clothes. I know often they tried too hard to be out there but I like how it's unpredictable. I like the food they make. I know it usually comes with a laundry list of free range, organic, fair trade, cage free, locally grown ingredients along with a Norse worthy saga of how they were brought together to make something simple like a cupcake but you know that cupcake is going to be pretty damn good. Probably the best cupcake you have ever tasted. I like how they will often go into bad neighborhoods, often ones that people who don't live there have written off as "not touching that place after 6pm," rent places (because rent is cheap) and will work hard to turn that neighborhood around. (For example. My mom who is from Brooklyn, told me that Williamsburg was one of those neighborhood that no one would touch after 6pm. Not even taxis. The hipsters moved in, worked hard, turned the place around and now it's the new Soho. Everyone wants to live there.)

In short, yeah, I like hipsters.

I just don't like hipsters if they think they're better than everybody else.

Same o/ And the stuff about hipsters turning neighborhoods around has happened here too.

Right? I keep on thinking, we don't need to send soldiers to the wars in the Middle East. We need to send hipsters. Drop them off and come back in a few years to see all the war torn neighborhoods now sparkling clean with the most amazing hookah bars and bakeries at every corner.

Let's make love and not war, to music who nobody else has heard of ;D

IDK if it's just my area but the neighborhood that hipsters took over about 5-8 years ago is becoming financially and culturally inaccessible to the people that made up the edginess, 'realness', and excitement that attracted the hipsters in the first place and there's some mixed feeling and resentment from the original locals.

But yeah I love hipster fashion, food, music, and tats. Maybe not the pretension so much but like ninety percent of the time when someone dismisses something as being ~hipster~ they sound just as pretentious and douchey as they think they're making fun of the hipsters for being.

Or when the hipsters like living in the "edgy" neighborhood but look down on/are scared of the the locals. That drives me crazy.

IDK if it's just my area but the neighborhood that hipsters took over about 5-8 years ago is becoming financially and culturally inaccessible to the people that made up the edginess, 'realness', and excitement that attracted the hipsters in the first place and there's some mixed feeling and resentment from the original locals.

It's not just your area. It happens in every neighborhood that hipsters take over, because hipsters are the shock troops of gentrification.

From what I can tell hipsters don't move to those neighborhoods for the "edginess" they move to those neighborhoods because they're broke and that's all they can afford. Bad neighborhoods usually have cheaper rent than good neighborhoods. Which is why rather moving to Manhattan, which no twenty-something artist who lives on a waitress salary can afford, they move to Brooklyn, which is much cheaper. Or at least, it was cheaper. Now it's becoming just as expensive as Manhattan. And word is, the original broke hipsters are moving from Brooklyn to Queens now because Queens is much cheaper.

We must be talking about different kinds of hipsters. The ones I know have money, usually from their parents, but move into these kinds of neighborhoods anyway.

They don't 'turn the place around', though. They change it, and they destroy it, and it can never come back. They're like the Borg - they make every place after their own image. They destroy diversity, they destroy difference, they destroy distinctiveness.

I'm not saying that awful, crime-ridden neighborhoods have any kind of sanctity. But I don't think the solution is necessarily good, either. It's this endless process - they take every place, they fill it with the same kinds of shops, the same kinds of people, and then it becomes subject to the pressure of the market and the laws of supply and demand, and rents go up and up and it's another quirky, pleasant middle-class neighborhood. And the poor people are moved on to somewhere else shittier, and that territory never comes back. And quirky middle-class neighborhoods are nice. They are. I like them. But can't we have any kind of diversity in this country? Isn't there some option besides suburbs, crime-ridden inner city, and quirky slightly Bohemian middle-class cafe neighborhood? Why can't we have a style of city where there's room for more than one culture, where it's possible to have a diversity of class and race without having urban blight? Why is that apparently impossible? I mean, what's the endpoint look like ere?

I like hipsters personally, and I like the neighborhoods they live in (because I am no less a part of this process than any of us are). But I hate the implacable logic with which the process operates, and the homogenization it ultimately entails, and I wish it didn't have to be that way.

But how do you get rid of urban blight without making the people who caused it, the original people who lived there, move? Because if it was a good neighborhoods it would have had good people in it in the first place. I don't mean middle class people. I mean people who aren't junkies, thieves, muggers, etc. It's people like that, that make a neighborhood "bad." How do you change a neighborhood without having to get rid of them?

I don't have all the answers. It's a complicated question.

That said, there are two points that I would make. First, I think it's at least possible that you can move these people out without replacing them with the hipster gentrification train - at least in theory, I don't see why this is the only thing that can fill the void.

Second, I think a lot of the answer probably comes down to having a balanced economy - towards having good, well-paying working class jobs, to having a social safety net, to not having tons of poverty, to not having massive class inequalities. I think that's an enormous part of it that affects these topics in a myriad of ways - I think you're going to have less crime and blight, and I think you're going to have more people who aren't hipsters who can afford to move into a place, and all that. And I think in general, there are ways to combat urban blight besides gentrification - I mean, we say these are bad neighborhoods, but I don't think there's really that many places where everyone who lives there is bad, you know? It's always more complicated, and I think a lot of the answer has to do with the good people who are already living there.

That neighbourhood transformation you're talking about is a divisive political issue here. There's a huge emphasis on involving the marginalized residents in the new development, and nobody agrees on what that looks like or if it's possible or if it works. I get a headache just hearing the word "gentrification", I swear.

I like hipsters as long as they're not disparaging other people. I get accused of being one often enough (which is hilarious). They were going to make a reality TV series about hipsters in my neighbourhood at one point!

You make good arguments in favor of hipsters. I think there are 2 kinds of hipsters, ones who try to make a positive affect on the world, and ones who take endless pictures of their floral print doc martens in pigeon toe stance (or, for the guys, vintage photo effect selfies wearing suspenders and cuffed jeans).

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