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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-10-18 06:54 pm

[ SECRET POST #2481 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2481 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[game of thrones]


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[Star Trek, Sleepy Hollow, Elementary]


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[Junjou Romantica]


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07. [WARNING for suicide/self-harm]

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(Anonymous) 2013-10-19 04:48 am (UTC)(link)
Sorry, anon, but there's a thing called willing suspension of disbelief. It's a necessity for enjoying fiction, and involves accepting things that don't gel with reality as we know it, such as magic or aliens existing. However, some things are just off enough from reality that disbelief can no longer be willingly suspended. This is generally, but not always, a sign of bad writing. Some people just have a low tolerance for certain genres (my mom hates zombie movies and refuses to suspend her disbelief where they are concerned and thinks they're ridiculous.)

In this case, for many many people, forcibly having sex with someone, without their consent, and then having it not be considered rape completely shatters their suspension of disbelief and ruins the story for them. From then on the story, regardless of how well it is written, is tainted by this break in the reality, and nothing else quite feels 'right'.

You, clearly, are willing to suspend your disbelief. And then feel like vehemently arguing that other people's unwillingness to do so for something they find distasteful is wrong. Uh, good for you? I'm going to be over here thinking that that trope is kind of gross, and that romance would be much better served by a trope of enthusiastic consent. No suspension of disbelief needed here for love interests having enthusiastically consensual sex!

(Anonymous) 2013-10-19 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
>And then feel like vehemently arguing that other people's unwillingness to do so for something they find distasteful is wrong.

Plese point out where have I said that? I've said many times that I disagree with you but that's pretty different from what you're saying now.

>And that romance would be much better served by a trope of enthusiastic consent. No suspension of disbelief needed here for love interests having enthusiastically consensual sex!

As if I don't thoroughly enjoy that in my fiction also. You sure love baselessly implying stuff about people you don't know, hmmm?


(Anonymous) 2013-10-19 05:35 am (UTC)(link)
You're assuming that I'm assuming that you don't appreciate consensual sex. But I'm not! I'm just saying the consensual sex > nonconsensual sex. Straight up.

As for the other thing, why are you continuing to argue so constantly against other people's opinions if you don't think they're wrong? I know the other people here are arguing with you because they think you're wrong, but what stake do you have here if you don't think that they're not wrong for thinking that it was rape... when the only way to think it's not rape is to suspend your disbelief about how sex works in the real world for the sake of accepting the trope?

(Anonymous) 2013-10-19 05:52 am (UTC)(link)
Well I don't see what's wrong with suspending your disbelief, for instance. I guess it's easier for people like me since the line between reality and fiction is very clear.

As for why I'm arguing - why do people ever argue in defense of things they like, especially when they see them accused of things they do not cause as some people in this very thread have done?