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fandomsecrets2013-10-20 03:36 pm
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Re: Reading article on that kid that got kidnapped by the romani
It is against EU regulations, we get free travel in EU (Through EEC) and in return every EU citizen gets to travel across our borders freely, it isn't a national law it is a EU law and we are not allowed to stop anyone from Europe crossing our borders (Off course we can look for drugs and such and individuals can still be barred from crossing again), because if we did we would be kicked out of the deal and then we have to show our passport at every EU country...
I wouldn't care about it if it wasn't based solely on the fact that we don't want Romani people to cross our borders and that begging was not an issue before we got more nonNorwegian beggars, or that we want to freely travel across Europe, but want to stop one group of people from doing the same across our borders...
Russians as a whole look a bit Asian, just like Eastern Europeans do. The whitest of the white are us Scandinavian, closely followed by the Northern part of Europe, then Southern Europe and at the "bottom of whiteness" Eastern Europe and Russia. All considered white, but there are different "levels" of whiteness, and I honestly do not mean to offend anyone by saying this, I really honestly do not think anyone are less than me based on their skin colour, I am just illustrating what at least Scandinavians look at other parts of Europe as.
Re: Reading article on that kid that got kidnapped by the romani
As to the rest of it, I totally get how the underlying nationalism is the problem, not the regulations themselves. And I don't think I really have any kind of non-ambiguous opinion on the matter - the border between acknowledging that a group of people presents a social problem and holding nationalistic views is super subtle. For a while now I've lived in a country where there's a distinct issue with a certain ethnic group (to which I - at least by blood - belong), and I just... I stopped trying to work it out. Every time I encounter someone who's passionate about it, I'm like 'OMG not this shit again'. The only thing I can say with any kind of certainty is what I've already said upthread - a community is not an entitity. Stop treating communities the way you treat people. There's no such thing as collective responsibility.
Thanks for the information! I certainly don't find it offensive or bad, just... baffling.
Re: Reading article on that kid that got kidnapped by the romani
Yeah, that must have sucked for you? I completely agree with you on the collective responsibility thing btw, I judge a person based on what that person does, not from where they are from.
No problem, I just don't usually like explaining this online because I am not racist nor do I want to be associated with it, but once in a while things have to be explained. Oh and I asked a couple of my friends today if they can see the difference between Scandinavians and Eastern Europeans and they all answered "for the most part yes.", nor do they consider Russians to be "completely white", I know that isn't really a representative group of people, but I was curious to. It isn't really something we talk a lot about, there is a lot of Us and Them mentality, but mostly it isn't talk about how they look, just about groups of people in general.
Re: Reading article on that kid that got kidnapped by the romani
Shitstorms in media often upset me, though, as does the epic internalised nationalism. But this particular problem seems to be solving itself - new generations come, and they inevitably hold more progressive views on the matter than the older people. Hopefully, one day this will cease to be an issue.
My main problem is that I see just how complex the matter is, and so all my opinions pretty much consist of "on the one hand..., but on the other hand...", and the disagreement between the two halves is so strong that I cannot conclude anything satisfactory.
Ay, I can tell the difference, too, though I never thought of it as race-related.
Thanks for the discussion :)