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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-10-21 07:04 pm

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AYRT

(Anonymous) 2013-10-22 10:58 pm (UTC)(link)
A noun ending in -us is a pretty strong indicator for the noun having Latin roots, but it's not 100%, yes. Probably should have phrased that more clearly ^^'

Hmmm okay, so this is probably because I live in Germany where Latin is Super Important (as is Greek and French, but don't you DARE use English words because that is so LOW /sarcasm), so Latin/AG-root nouns, unless they are high frequency, usually get pluralised in a way that is similar to or the way as they are in the original language (meaning Latin and Ancient Greek). So we have "Atlas" getting pluralised "Atlanten" which is some sort funny amalgamation of atlantes (which would be the 'correct' Greek plural, had that word existed in Ancient Greek, which it did not, at least not in plural) and the plural -(e)n which is German. A lot of German speakers don't care about that so they use Atlasse which is the plural that comes naturally for a word like Atlas. The rest is super snobbish about Atlasse being WROOOOOOOOOOONG and insist on Atlanten (the standard dictionary has "Atlasse" as the only plural because of the high frequency, only Wiktionary and some other more thorough dictionaries also list Atlanten as one of two plural forms). A stronger example is Rhythmus whose only acceptable plural is not Rhythmusse, as would be expected, but Rhythmen (AG + German). Also: Visum (singular) accepts both Visa (Latin plural) and Visen (Germanized plural), but I've never heard people use that; I do hear "Visas" because -a is not in any way or shape or form any kind of even remotely German plural form so an -s gets added XD.(Side note: a lot of actually AG words we use in German became part of the language through the Roman invasion and expansion, that is, through Latin, not AG itself. Should be similar with English.)

Now, when I talked about exodus in the post you're replying to, I was talking about the word in the context of Latin texts, where it was declined as an o-declension noun (I have a sliiiight aversion to Ancient Greek so my bias is showing; yes, the correct, i.e. AG form would be exodes, but more people use the Latinized exodus (I'd venture the guess: because of the bible), so that's what I talked about.)

I kinda feel I'm not making much sense right now /o\ I mostly reacted to you saying: "sticking a Latinate plural on there is...not really the thing" because it was definitely The Thing in Latin texts. It's not in English, where exoduses is the correct plural, as it is in German (Exodusse, neither Exodi nor Exodes, but some people would still complain, I guess), so that's what we should use in an English context. (The post saying that it's exodi and not exodii is by me, too, as you may have guessed XD and it's only about the form and not about usage in English.)

And. oh shit I did not mean to write so much. I got carried away /o\ sorry >.

Re: AYRT

(Anonymous) 2013-10-23 01:55 pm (UTC)(link)
In this case, the plural in Greek is exodi (well, pronunced more like exodee).