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Why do people use POC or WOC nowadays? I get that it's a good catch-all term for diversity, but it seems to be used in almost every instance. Why can't people just put "insert ethnicity here" instead? Is that offensive now?

I have no idea and honestly POC sounds so fucking stupid and offensive to me. "People of color". Wow, I thought we stopped using colored people in the 60s but I guess it is okay because you rearranged the words.

The justification is that it puts emphasis on "people" rather than "color." I don't agree personally, but there it is.

You do know people who fall under that POC category are the ones who coined the term, right?

DA

That... honestly makes no difference. If one black person says they're fine with being called something offensive they do not speak for all black people.

Doesn't mean everyone who falls under that umbrella likes the term. Some gay people use the term "fag" for fun, while for others it's horrible.

And just because you're not part of a group doesn't mean you cannot possibly have any logical or rational dislike of a term that applies to them, whether some like it or not.

You don't accept the possibility that rearranging words might alter the meaning of a phrase? Heads up, then: that is how language works.

Rearranging - how language works, it is! Ergo, become Yoda have I.

(Sorry. Just having fun.)
:-P

I think people mostly are wanting to be inclusive rather than limiting to one race/ethnicity.

Because similar struggles are faced by people in different groups and it's easier to say than "Black, Hispanic, Asian, Native American, [list of all minority groups in the world]." and people thought "non-white people" emphasized the negative. I think "ethnic/racial minorities" is fine and would of course use the name of a specific group if the discussion was about their particular issues but I'm not in charge of language.

It seems kind of weird to me, because it just lumps everybody into two groups, white and non-white, which doesn't seem to be very progressive to me.

I've only seen it used when people are talking about more than one ethnicity. Which I think is pretty self explanatory.

I don't. POC and WOC are such horrible devisive and racist terms and anyone who used them in real life here would be side eyed hard at minimum. Just saying their ethnicity, or the major ethnicity in question or even a vague black/darker/whatever.

I can't help but curl my lip whenever I see those words and I have to remind myself that evidently this is not a racist term in some places

But I never use it myself.

It must be interesting under that rock you call home

Yes, America forbid that a term like POC be regarded as similar to coloured in places not America. You have shown me the way, if it's not racist in America no other place could ever have a problem with it. I have seen the light

It's not a racist terms in MOST places, i.e. the world that exists outside of your head.

*places outside of ~America~ and the internet

Fixed it for you.

I think it's the same reason why you're not allowed to say 'black' anymore and are supposed to say 'African-American' instead (despite the fact that not all black people even are 'African-American) but I don't know what that reason is.

This didn't actually happen?

Unless you are a confused time traveler from the mid-nineties, in which case THIS IS NOT USENET! GO BACK! GO BACK!

Edited 2013-10-26 01:54 (UTC)

Eh, it's happened where I live, but I won't argue that we're probably stuck in the mid 90s.

Yeah, this is not a real thing. It's a rather dumb misunderstanding and misapplication of the term, but there was never a point in history where everyone just agreed that labeling all black people "African-American" regardless of whether or not they were African and/or American was a great idea and we should all do it from now on.

If this is how people did it where you're from, then they were doing it wrong.

It's a more general term. I used to really hate it (probably because my grandma still calls, say, black people "colored") because it's just kind of a stupid term (first, it implies white is the standard and all darker skin tone is additional color; second, what? Whites don't have pigment now?) and it sounds to me exactly like the old school "colored people" terminology. But since it's the standard accepted term in, say, multicultural classes at American universities, it's just the phrase you end up using when you want to talk about representation. I kind of think it's better than "minorities" because that sounds like full on invalidation.

From what I've seen that's only really used online. Either that, or people here avoid it because it strikes a little too close to "colored" which *is* considered offensive because of well...past issues.

Because it IS a catch-all. For example, if you're talking about diversity on TV. If you say "I want more hispanic people on television" you're leaving out black people, Asian people, etc. POC is a catch-all for saying I want more people on TV that aren't white.

I think the problem is that people are using it in the wrong contexts.
"POC" as a catch-all term for "non-white" is accurate and useful if and only if you are actually talking about something, or a situation in which, or pointing out the differences between, white people and non-white people as grouped together as "white vs non-white."

The problem is, it makes no sense to use it in any other context, but people do it anyway. It's stupid to say, for example, "POCs suffer from some specific thing" when you mean "one specific minority group" because that stupidly lumps a bunch of uninvolved people into the specific minority group and implies it's a problem common to all minority groups. It's also stupid to call every Japanese character in a Japanese anime a "character of color" when you are just talking about something within the context of the anime only. That'd make pretty much every single anime and every single manga PROGRESSIVE WORKS FULL OF CHARACTERS OF COLOR and that makes no sense because it's NOT in a white vs nonwhite context, and Japanese is the default race in the context in which those authors are writing.

tl;dr It can be a useful term if you use it properly. People don't.

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