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⌈ Secret Post #2490 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I seem to keep running into people who think the word "crazy" is an ableist slur and requires a trigger warning.

[(Anonymous)]

Tumblr?

[(Anonymous)]

All over, but mostly, yeah.

[othellia]

It's like that over on ontd_political, sf_drama, and several other LJ comms too.

[(Anonymous)]

Hahah oh sf_drama.

Not sure who the mod is anymore, but I know that at least one of the former mods would definitely have shit their pants over that. Mostly because they themselves were crazier than a goddamn bag full of cats.

[(Anonymous)]

I feel like there's times where the word crazy dismisses things that are actually important, but people use other words like that too. But for the most part people who want to call out any word vaguely negative and related to mental disorders as ableist are doing a whole lot of hurt to the word ableist instead.

[(Anonymous)]

+1

[(Anonymous)]

+100000

[(Anonymous)]

Yep. I've seen people yelled at for saying "I'm crazy (enthusiastic) about this new show I'm watching" omg ableist slur HDU!!

I've also seen "stupid" or "idiot" or "moron" called ableist and it's like rly? You're gonna classify perfectly average people being stupid as "disabled" now? GTFO.

[(Anonymous)]

I thought "crazy" referred to a sane person acting completely irrational. Do people generally use the word "crazy" to refer to people with actual mental problems?

[writerserenyty]

That's my sister. I know she's had some mental health issues, so I've completely stopped using the word 'crazy,' if it makes her feel better.

[(Anonymous)]

Is that the same thing though? I would totally respect the preference of anyone who doesn't like the word due to their personal experience, but imo there's a BIG difference between that and believing that it should have a trigger warning.

[writerserenyty]

She believes it should have a trigger warning, though. (but she generally puts a trigger warning on everything).

[(Anonymous)]

Avoid the "Mark Does Stuff" sites. You will regret it.

(For fucks sake he warns for the words "mad" and "maddening" when he's reading things out loud!)

[(Anonymous)]

Was coming to say this exactly.

[(Anonymous)]

I remember the rage when a character in The Hunger Games "dismissed" another character with severe mental issues for being "feeble-minded." And by "dismissed" I mean she said "No, of course we won't prosecute her for anything the Capitol might have forced her to do; she was clearly not in a state of mind where she could comprehend the consequences of her actions." This, according to the commenters, was proof that the entire universe of the books sees the mentally ill as worthless in every aspect. My attempts to punch people through the computer were sadly fruitless.

[kaijinscendre]

Tumblr thinks everything requires a trigger warning. Tumblr does not understand how being triggered works. Things that make you uncomfortable are not triggers.

[(Anonymous)]

I guess my issue with trigger warnings is that anything is capable of being a trigger, but there's some things that are much more common as triggers than others and different levels of offense than others (ie the mention of the word rape is not the same as a page long description of someone being raped) but a lot of warnings don't seem to have that nuance.

[(Anonymous)]

The other thing is, these "slurs" (which aren't really) don't even make the people these rich, white, spoiled rotten tweenagers want to "defend" uncomfortable in the first place. And they move the dialogue into very iffy territory, not to mention that they do a bang-up job of distracting everyone from the REAL issues.

Employment/salary parity? Let me curse at you for fifty thousand words because you said the word "lame" on the Internet instead!

Universal access? The hivemind has determined you must be cyberbullied because you said "stupid" once when referring to something liekOMG!

Institutional "care" advocacy? No, I'm going to follow you across every fandom space on the Internet and troll you, because you said "dumb" once, that's a much better usage of my oh-so-limited time as I DEFEND THE DISABLED ON THE INTERNET LOOK AT MEEEEEEE....

OMG liek thankUSOSOSOSOMUCH I've lived, like four DECADES on this dirtball of a planet as a PWD and I just absolutely NEED to have YOU precious Twindigo snowflake children defend POOR DISABLED ME from all those awful, awful, words on the Internet. *moonface* /s

I rather hate Tumblr, yo.

[(Anonymous)]

I can see how someone could use that as a dismissive term, and I can kind of see how someone would label or use it as a slur, though I don't agree. But I cannot ever see how something like that would need a trigger warning.

And this is from someone who has a very negative relationship with the word. When I was younger I was a bit messed up. My parents had me to go a psychologist for a bit and my siblings loved it, because it was one more thing to make fun of me for. The quickest and surest way to get me to lose my freaking mind in a frothing rage was for them to call me crazy and use the psychologist as "proof" that they were right. To this day I have a little twinge of remembered frustrated impotent anger and the word, just because of that.

But you know what? That's not a trigger, not really. And it's not something that's universal like rape. We can't be labeling things with trigger warnings just because someone out there might have an adverse reaction. And people who want others to add warnings to their stories (or whatever) to cover their own personal triggers is dumb. Cover the basics, but you can't be warning for everything under the sun.

[(Anonymous)]

I actually think it should go the other way, in that you should not use the word "crazy" to describe people with mental health issues but you are free to use it to describe behavior that is irrational, nonsensical, or stupid coming from people who have no real excuse to behave that way. It's okay to use negative terms when people who ought to know better do bad things. Turning around and applying those terms to people with mental health issues is where those words become slurs.

[(Anonymous)]

"I'm crazy for this show"
"People are going crazy about it"
"It's the new craze"
"I feel like I'm going to go crazy"

What are you, deaf?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm hard of hearing. I don't get offended when someone says "what are you, deaf?" or "maybe he's just deaf as a doornail."

Re: What are you, deaf?

[(Anonymous)]

The "I'm not offended so nobody should be!" argument always annoys me.