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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-10-27 03:22 pm

[ SECRET POST #2490 ]


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Re: So I have this problem with a fic author vs her fic...

[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-10-28 04:13 am (UTC)(link)
I'm a Christian (not sure if you are, but either way I'd like to speak as a person of faith here) and I'd like to challenge you to reflect on this stance and evaluate it a bit.

There's plenty of scientific evidence that being gay isn't a choice. If being gay isn't a choice - if people are indeed born that way, or in some other way caused to be gay (or bi or whatever else) and they had no control over it at all - then a) how can it still be considered sinful, and b) how is it loving or helpful to keep saying it's wrong and preventing them from having equal rights?

Being gay hurts nobody. It isn't destructive nor is it a "root cause" of horrible things. There's no indication that any of that is true. And in my conscience I cannot treat them as though they don't deserve the same rights and humanity, nor can I claim it's unnatural when all evidence suggests that it is in fact natural, nor can I fail to stand up against the oppression, injustice and inequality they face in our world.

Not to be an ass, but yeah you are homophobic if you're willing to openly say that being homosexual is "wrong". It's incredibly damaging to tell someone that an integral part of them that they cannot help or control is unnatural/sinful/wrong.
Edited 2013-10-28 04:15 (UTC)

Re: So I have this problem with a fic author vs her fic...

(Anonymous) 2013-10-28 05:03 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with the science that says it's genetic. When the heck did I ever say people shouldn't have equal rights? Like you said, something that's personal and doesn't harm others or society, society has no right to discriminate against them. You have argued against many points that I didn't make at all (I never said it hurt anybody or was a 'root cause' of anything or even that it was unnatural). I'm happy to have you challenge my opinions, but please challenge MY opinions, rather than an amorphous 'homophobic' stance.

But at the same time, simply being a 'natural urge' does not grant it some kind of moral prerogative. It's is natural for a male of breeding age to wish to procreate with as many genetically viable females as possible,but most people would agree that for a married man to break his vows is morally wrong.

It's like people think the only choice is to march in gay pride parades (endorse and support the lifestyle) or throw shit on them (oppress them). I'm never gonna march in one but I'd gladly form a human barricade to prevent them from being harmed.

Re: So I have this problem with a fic author vs her fic...

(Anonymous) 2013-10-28 05:24 am (UTC)(link)
It's is natural for a male of breeding age to wish to procreate with as many genetically viable females as possible

Dude. No. Just nooooo. That is so messed up. That is not how people work.

Re: So I have this problem with a fic author vs her fic...

(Anonymous) 2013-10-28 06:46 am (UTC)(link)
DA. I agree with your opinion that it's not how people work, and yet there are legitimate scientists who do push this idea, so it's not surprising to hear it repeated.
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Re: So I have this problem with a fic author vs her fic...

[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-10-28 05:30 pm (UTC)(link)
It's how some people work. I wouldn't say all or most men actually want to behave like that though.
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Re: So I have this problem with a fic author vs her fic...

[personal profile] ariakas 2013-10-28 02:28 pm (UTC)(link)
It's is natural for a male of breeding age to wish to procreate with as many genetically viable females as possible

Hahaha whaaaaaaaaaaaat. Humans are k-selected, friend - that's literally the opposite of our mating strategy.

Real science is fun!
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Re: So I have this problem with a fic author vs her fic...

[personal profile] diet_poison 2013-10-28 05:29 pm (UTC)(link)
I wasn't replying to your opinions, but rather stating why I myself am not against homosexuality, and explaining my thought process.

Humans are sexual beings who desire relationships and sexual satisfaction. If a person is attracted to someone of the opposite gender, you consider it acceptable for them to get married to someone and have sex with them and a fulfilling lifelong relationship. But if they're of the same gender that's not okay?

And honest question, how would you vote if the question of marriage equality was presented directly to the people?