[ SECRET POST #2492 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2492 ⌋

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Comments

Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

Just something i encountered on tumblr, and I'm curious to see if it holds true in the wider world.

Is "genderbend"/"genderbending" considered a transphobic slur now? I'd literally never heard that before, so I'm wondering if that's actually a thing or... you know, just a Tumblr thing.

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

No. Definitely a tumblr thing.

Re: Trans* slurs

[fingalsanteater]

Everything's a fucking insult to someone.

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

You saw that post too? Apparently writing and drawing genderbend/genderswap is totally transphobic now. Sure, you thought it would just be fun to draw this male character as a female, but no, you are actually promoting the erasure of trans and genderfluid people by not drawing them as a girl with a mustache, or something. In conclusion: STOP HAVING FUN, GUYS.

If I want to fucking draw a guy as a girl I will fucking well do it, not make them 'genderfluid' or 'identifying as female but has a penis' or whatever just because someone on Tumblr feels oppressed.

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

But...wouldn't that be in support of trans* things? Switching the gender? Even if not, how is it at all even a tiny bit erasure? I know, I know, Tumblr logic and I shouldn't try to understand but...it's just so strange.

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

Apparently it's transphobic because it's not making the characters trans*, it's switching them from one cis to another and if you don't make everyone a genderfluid demisexual transdolphin you are automatically *ist and erasing all non-cis people, or something. I dunno, it's Tumblr.

Re: Trans* slurs

[chardmonster]

Don't you know trans people who pass are actually cheating?

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, like that's going to fly on tumblr. If there is something that tumblr loves, it's genderbending characters. I think this turn of "GENDERBENDING IS TRANSPHOBIC" is going to die where it stands.

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

Do you have a link to the post? I gotta see this shit.

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

I think this is the one everyone's talking about: http://disgracefullyriversong.tumblr.com/post/65442514123/so-the-problem-with-genderbend-and-genderswap

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

Haha, oh wow. That's just ridiculous.

Re: Trans* slurs

[chardmonster]

Eeri [like air-y]. 24. Sometimes demi, but mostly ace panromantic. Agender, preferring ey/em/eir pronouns. Cosplayer and aspiring costume designer at MassArt. Writer and bookworm. Randomly goes on River Song/11xRiver reblofging sprees due to complications of feels. Often liveblogs fave shows such as Elementary, Hannibal, Pretty Little Liars, Buffy, Doctor Who, and more. Lover of body mod and cats.


Yeah I'm never going to care about this person's opinion on anything.

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

ey/em/eir pronouns

This is just getting ridiculous now. Where did this shit come from? Never seen these before. I've seen zie, hir, etc but never these.

Re: Trans* slurs

[chardmonster]

UNDER MY TRANSBRELLA
EY EY EY EY

Re: Trans* slurs

[kamino_neko]

Ey/em/eir is actually one of the older modern attempts at gender neutral pronouns - first coined in the 70s, with variants popularized in the 80s and 90s by Michael Spivak and the creators of LambdaMoo.

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, whenever I see something like that on a Tumblr profile my brain reads it as "probably heterosexual white girl who needs something to be oppressed about."

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

Well, that's quite a lot of ranting, and involves an awful lot of assumptions on the part of the ranter. Looking at a piece of fan art, how the hell do you know how the characters identify if identity can be completely independent of presentation and body? If the characters are clothed, how do you know what kind of genitals they have if their clothes cannot be taken as an indication of sex? Sounds like the one with the problems is the person posting this rant (who, to be fair, is not the person whose tumblr you linked to) and not the fanartists.

Re: Trans* slurs

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

That post is just... daft.

I've seen fic that has always-a-girl character who in canon is male, where she finds the female role in her society restrictive. That sounds very much like trans* issues to my knowledgeable cis mind.

I wish male-character-gets-turned-female fics would actually take more into account how the sex-changed character would be unhappy/uncomfortable/dysphoric about it, instead of playing it for laughs.

But if I want trans* fic, I'll go find trans* fic and hope it's really looking at properly, instead of pulling crap out it's proverbial ass.

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

Wait what, rule 63 is no longer tumblr approved?

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

Ooooh my gooood NO. Tumblr is not one person. Even if a few hundred people reblog/like it, it is still not "a tumblr thing". It would be just as dumb as saying "oh, is that an LJ thing now?" if one blog on LJ posted it.

Fuck that shit

[insanenoodlyguy]

IF. IT. EXISTS. NO EXCEPTIONS. Just like Rule 34!

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

Well, you've encountered some people on tumblr who don't like it, so the answer to "do some people think this is a slur" is yes, I guess.

The answer to "are those people idiots and should they be ignored" is also yes.

Re: Trans* slurs

[(Anonymous)]

Trans* person here. I have no problem with Rule 63, genderbending, or genderswap. I think part of the issue some people have is that generally trans* people use "sex" for biology and "gender" for identity, whereas genderbend/genderswap fic and art is usually biological.

The thing that can sometimes bug me in a fic is when the "accidental sex change" trope happens to a character, but the author doesn't really spend that much time on how this is impacting the way the character thinks about their identity. It's usually either mostly for porny purposes or the affected character immediate starts acting as if their identity has changed along with their biology without even questioning it. The first one can be fun, but the second one gets irritating almost every time, especially when the affected character has a strong desire to return to their original state while seemingly not having a problem acting/dressing like the sex/gender they have changed into.

tl;dr: "genderswap/genderbend" usually doesn't come at gender from a trans* perspective, and it can be frustrating when the potential psychological effects are dismissed, but I don't think the words are bad, imho.

Re: Trans* slurs

[otakugal15]

Tumblr being it's overly sensitive SJW self.

I LOVE genderbend fic and art. Especially if a person can keep character, but still work with them if they'd been male or female form birth instead of what they are initially.

It's preference thing and Tumblr can get off it's fucking high horse.