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I never said Philip and Aurora are platonic, I said that platonic love is considered true love, which pretty much shoots down the whole one true love thing - you can have true love for multiple people of multiple sorts, so it stands to reason that it's possible, if not necessarily common, to be able to have true love of the same sort for more than one person simultaneously.

As for Snow and Charming, Snow's memory loss interfered with their true love in that one flashback, and we see the same thing with Lacey and Gold later, so it's down in canon that magical personality alteration can have an effect on true love - the people they are at that moment have to be truly in love, it doesn't carry over from their "real" selves.

I'd imagine being the product of true love is rare because in that world, marrying out of love is rare. Arranged marriage seems to be pretty common, as does marrying because it's the done thing - it brings security and heirs. There's also likely more at work there than just Emma being the product of true love, too, though that's neither going to be proved nor disproved unless we see another true love kid demonstrate or fail to have similar properties (Aurora and Phillip's baby, or Henry, since they do seem to be going that route with Emma and Neal).

I do agree that they probably won't put Mulan and Aurora together without killing Phillip off, since they will almost certainly not do a triad, and there's no other way to get them together without having someone come off badly. I just think true love isn't that immutable within the rules of the show.

Eh. Agree to disagree maybe? While I see where you're coming from, and I think there is room for different head canon takes on it, I honestly don't think the show intends to imply that you can be in romantic True Love with more than one person at a time. As you say, they're not going to do a triad, and since one of the other conceits of the show is the whole Happy Ending thing, what would even be the point?

I'm one of the anons from upthread - I too think it's most likely that, if Mulan and Aurora were to get together, Philip would probably be dead. My main point was that it pisses me off that people think Philip/Aurora is some sort of be-all end-all just because the show told us they are. Mulan and Aurora are the characters with the screen time who we've actually seen together.

Maybe it was just the writers throwing those shippers a bone. If so, it's more than I ever hoped they'd do. But, I still think there's room for Philip to be killed off again (again, we've barely seen his character or formed any attachment to him) and for Mulan and Aurora to end up together. If that happened, it would be totally groundbreaking for a show like OUAT. Honestly, even the scene we got so far was pretty groundbreaking. I just think there's a less black-and-white way to look at it than "the show told us Aurora loves Philip, therefore she loves Philip." What we were shown was a season of her connection to Mulan, not Philip, and I think that means something.

What we were shown was a season of her connection to Mulan, not Philip, and I think that means something.

Well, agree to disagree again? As I said in one of my responses below, I don't think the writers had any idea of doing Mulan/Aurora at that point. That was the very beginning of S2, and according to their own comments the writers were working more from a "two women in love with the same man" play book than the "two women in love with each other" play book. And it wasn't actually a season, it was nine episodes max, and probably more like seven or eight, because I'm not sure they were in every single episode of that first nine-episode arc. Regardless, we never see Aurora again after episode 2.09 Queen of Hearts until she pops up at the very end of the season with Phillip and Mulan on the beach with Neal. (Mulan we do see in one other episode - 2.11 The Outsider, which was the one with Belle and Phillip as a monster, which presumably happens pre-curse.)

just think there's a less black-and-white way to look at it than "the show told us Aurora loves Philip, therefore she loves Philip."

But saying it this way sounds like you're saying "the show didn't show us that Aurora loves Phillip, therefore she does not love Phillip." Which I can't agree with.

I don't think the writers' intention matters, nor the precise number of episodes Mulan and Aurora shared. What I meant was that Mulan and Aurora have had more screentime together than Philip has had, period. And that shippers read a romantic relationship into that screentime, which was at least partially confirmed in the text, from Mulan's perspective, at least.

What the show has given us regarding Aurora/Philip is that his kiss broke the spell. Therefore, we're told that they're "true love." But I haven't seen any of their interactions that have convinced me that they're in love. All I'm saying is that the show TELLS us Aurora loves Philip, but it has SHOWN the development of Mulan's feelings for Aurora, and arguably Aurora's for Mulan (if she does in fact love them both). It's a telling vs. showing thing. I don't know who Aurora loves, or if she loves them both, or if she loves someone more. I just think it remains to be seen.

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