[ SECRET POST #2500 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2500 ⌋

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Comments

[tabaqui]

I really find it amusing that so many people here are all pissed off about Irene being attracted to Sherlock. When pretty much everyone here has said that sexuality is fluid, that you're attracted to who you're attracted to....

Newsflash - gay men and lesbians have actually, from time to time, been attracted to and slept with people of the opposite sex! Not all of them, but some of them. And not often, no,but it happens. Just like a straight person can be powerfully attracted to someone of the opposite sex sometimes. Why is the idea the one of the few people in her world who is as intelligent and interesting as she is is attractive to her such a huge deal? She didn't sleep with him, she didn't 'stop being gay' for him, she didn't seduce him, she didn't even come back to be with him. She had an attraction to him, as much his mind and spirit as his body. Doesn't seem all that improbable to me.

[spacebabie]

They should read the Dar comic. It was created by a woman who identified as a lesbian yet she still fell in love with and married a man. It does happen and she got flack because she fell in love with and married a man.

[tabaqui]

And see, that's just lame. Love is love, the bodies don't matter.

[fenm]

Yes, but what the show presents us with is a scenario in which Irene compares and parallels herself and her feelings for Sherlock to John and his feelings for Sherlock; hell she even calls them a couple. And yet, at the end of the day, only Irene's attraction to a person Sherlock is shown to be physical/sexual, while John's attraction is just friendship.

When a show talks about being so edgy with their portrayal of "sexual fluidity", and yet all we really see is a gay person being attracted to a member of the opposite sex, it feels really fucking hollow.

[tabaqui]

Except she didn't have sex with him, she just teased him. Sex is her *thing* - it's what she does. She had no qualms being naked in front of two strangers, she *does sex* for a living. So of course she was sexy and sensual and seductive. But she didn't have sex with him or, at any time, in my mind, really make it seem like it was going to happen. To me, it seemed like that was kind of her 'thing', to make everything about sex and temptation and the body, but she never really made moves on Sherlock that he responded to.

And i get what you're saying about the media, i do. And that's a big part of most media in general. But i like Sherlock and i liked her, so it's more enjoyable to find a rational explanation for her than it is to get bummed over the ongoing crap-fest that is most tv. I leave that kind of thing for my political blogs.

[fenm]

Except she didn't have sex with him, she just teased him.

How is that relevant to the fact that she's shown being physically attracted to him? This was at the end, after she'd dropped the ruse; it was presented as her genuine feelings.

but she never really made moves on Sherlock that he responded to.

"[T]hat he responded to", yes, but the scene in front of the fireplace sure looked like an attempted seduction to me.

[tabaqui]

How was she shown as physically attracted to him? Her heart was beating a little fast and her pupils were dilated. You do that when you lie, too. She didn't masturbate to the thought of him or go into details or anything.

Like is said - sex is her 'thing'. I think she seduces at all times, though only occasionally does the seduction end in sex.

[fenm]

You do that when you lie, too.

In real life, yes. In the show, it's specifically stated to be a sign of her attraction to him.

[tabaqui]

SHERLOCK says it is. Who knows what it was for her. Agree to disagree, dude.

[fenm]

Fair enough.

[(Anonymous)]

Dude, the show itself proves it by demonstrating Sherlock's logic as correct to allow him to deduce the password. If he'd been wrong and the dilated pupils were just a sign lying, "[I AM] SHER[LOCKED]" would not have been correct. It was; the writers were fully backing that she was attracted to him.

Everyone knows what it was for her, the show made it blatantly clear.

[tabaqui]

Eh. His name being the password doesn't necessarily equal - i wanna bone you. But, as i said above - agree to disagree.

[(Anonymous)]

I'll only agree that you're in some fierce denial.

[(Anonymous)]

I agree with you for the most part, but it happens so often in media and with Moffat's track record with writing women, it really just comes across as a skeevy fantasy.

[tabaqui]

Oh, i know. It really does. But i *liked* Irene, and i like the show despite it's issues, so i prefer to find a solution to her behavior that reflects well on her, instead of dwelling on the numpties in broadcasting.

[(Anonymous)]

I understand that completely so no worries.

[(Anonymous)]

But you are allowed to like problematic things. You can admit it's a problematic case, and still like the show, instead of standing on your lashes to find an explanation, that "no no no it's not that bad as it seems".

[sarillia]

This. Can't we have more lesbians who are actually only interested in women?

I may still be bitter about a guy with a crush on me talking me into watching Chasing Amy

[(Anonymous)]

I wish. It be fantastic if they weren't fetishized for the male audience as well.

I'm sorry about what happened. I've never seen Chasing Amy but I've heard shit about it so I can't imagine how uncomfortable that made you.

[millificent]

Or if they are attracted to guys actually call them bisexual.

*signs the bi girl who is pissed at tv for acting like bisexuals don't exist it's just gay people who go straight*

[siofrabunnies]

Like I said above, there's representation, and then there's fetishization. BBC Irene was not created to be a lesbian who also had attraction to a man, and that's okay and a totally cool thing for her. She was created to be so hot that the implied-not-interested-in-sex/romance lead is attracted to her, and he's so hot he attracts even a lesbian.

Media is not real life. In real life, most lesbians are not attracted to men, but they have to deal constantly with comments like "Two girls is so hot", "You just need to find the right man", "You're too pretty/ugly to be lesbian", "You're only doing it for attention from guys", etc. Typical, only-attracted-to-girls lesbians have such little representation, while the exception of lesbians-also-attracted-to-a-man has much greater representation, because of the cultural meme that two girls is hot, but should also be available to men.

I don't mind the character as a one-off. I mind the character (besides diversion from ACD canon) because of the greater media and social context.

[fenm]

Yeah. Also, in real life, a lot of shit happens that you really have no control over, including who you're to. Fiction? No so much. Moffat CHOSE to make Irene gay, he CHOSE to have her spend much of the episode talking about wanting to fuck Sherlock, then he CHOSE to have her fall in love with him. A straight man wrote a woman as a lesbian, only to have her turn into the main male characters love interest. And I'm supposed to think this is about "sexual fluidity"?