[ SECRET POST #2502 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2502 ⌋

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Comments

[fauxkaren]

but what Ten did there to Harriet to me is different from any other action he (or any other New Who Doctor) takes

How is what Ten does here worse than Eleven brainwashing humanity to kill the Silence in "Day of the Moon"?

[(Anonymous)]

I'm not sure brainwash is the word I'd use. Eleven used the brainwashing the Silence already did to get humanity to kick the Silence off their world and save them from enslavement. And he only did it as a last resort because there really weren't any other options. Not the best choice, but the best of the worst certainly.

That is miles different from Ten interceding into human politics when there was no threat, and in fact every evidence he had was that Harriet Jones would have become a great leader who did good things. And there were plenty of other options besides what he did.

[(Anonymous)]

Those...are not even remotely comparable.

[fauxkaren]

You're right.

Eleven's actions are worse.

[lex_antonia]

Saxon, though. A direct consequence of Ten's actions.

[fauxkaren]

A consequence, but not something he was did directly. Saxon is a consequence which punishes Ten for his actions in a narrative sense. Which is different from Eleven's actions of brainwashing humanity which is something that he is specifically and directly doing. He is taking away humanity's choice and free will.

[(Anonymous)]

He is taking away humanity's choice and free will.

How did you manage to miss the bit where the Silence already did that? Eleven gave humanity one order to prevent the Silence from giving them orders for the rest of time.

[fauxkaren]

I didn't.

But like.

The Silence's big evil thing they do is brainwashing humanity.

So the Doctor defeats the Silence by... brainwashing humanity??????????

To KILL.

UMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

Is that "brainwashing" really all that bad? It seems to me more that he gave humanity the tools they needed to fight an oppressor they couldn't see.

[fauxkaren]

He took away humanity's choice though.

So YES, it IS all that bad.

And maybe he 'had no other choice', but the story never framed it as a terrible thing the Doctor had to do because there was no other option. It was just another awesome victory, no qualifications.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

So in a choice between being controlled by aliens they can't truly fight, and having the instincts not to just stand there and stare until one of the aliens kills them... humans are better off being killed or manipulated by the aliens, than being manipulated by one alien who has their best interests at heart(s).

Both sides are manipulating humanity. The Doctor is just the nicer option.

[fauxkaren]

Really though, what did the Silence do that was all that bad? I mean, until they started killing people. lmao. Other than that, they just seemed to be guiding humanity's technological advances. Oh no, they were behind the space program. WHAT MONSTERS!!!! We must save humanity from them!!! I'm not saying the Silence were GOOD, but the show did a terrible job of explaining why they apparently they were so terrible that the Doctor had to resort to the extreme measure of doing EXACTLY WHAT THE SILENCE WERE DOING in order to save humanity.

Also, the show never acknowledged that what the Doctor did was something because he had no other choice or that it was morally dubious. It was played as a straight up Hero Moment.

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

The impression I had is that they may have helped guide human development, but they did not do it out of any real love for humans. Humanity was a means to an end, that end being to kill the Doctor, because of the whole running image of him being bad.

I guess the real point is that I still like the Doctor, even though the new series shows that he can and does pull some crappy shit while he's trying to save people.