[ SECRET POST #2502 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2502 ⌋

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Comments

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

The Doctor had brokered terms. When the Sycorax broke them he got a free trip via gravity airways to a concrete splashdown. When Harriet broke them, she got removed from power but otherwise escaped alive. She should count herself lucky. Especially since Captain Concrete had only attempted to stab the Doc in the back, Harriet was successful in her murder attempt on the retreating.

Bad form in all wars to shoot a surrendered and fleeing enemy, if for no other reason than you give the next enemy no reason to try surrendering or fleeing (Julius Caesar won a war by making sure his troops didn't have that option). The next invader may or may not be put off, but Harriet's actions ensured that if weren't put off then they were there to fight and win because they couldn't trust any offer of truce. She made Earth less safe, not more.

[(Anonymous)]

The thing is that Earth is not a powerful enough planet (at least at the time) to be able to offer terms and make truces without the support of the Doctor. It did not have the strength and the ability to do that

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

Not true. The aliens of the Who-verse have always been a variable lot. Ranging from the "wipe out whole galaxies with a sneeze" all the way down to "Even UNIT in the 60s can take them" level. Plus Earth didn't have to win every battle to force a ceasefire or withdrawl; just make the other side's victory costly enough that it wouldn't be worth the lives to take, us and go somewhere else. Except that option is now no longer on the table thanks to Harriet. She sent the message that there is no testing of Earth's defenses, that if you come here then you have to win at all costs or be shot in the back as you run. In a universe with such variable levels of opposition, that is a dangerous thing to do.

As a planet, Earth isn't fighting in the age of one or two dominant super-powers. It is in the galactic equivalent of Pre-Roman tribal warfare with everyone testing all the time.

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I've hated, hated, hated this moment for a long time. This explanation actually resolves some of the difficulty I've had with Who. So thank you. I think I can move forward with the series now.

[(Anonymous)]

The Doctor had no right to broker terms on behalf of Earth without at least consulting the leading politicians and rulers.

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

He had the endorsement of the leader of Earth's forces. It was Harriet her fucking self, she even told the US president to back the fuck off because the spaceship was over London (and apparently the US president had agreed to do just that). Harriet had agreed to it by begging for the Doctor's help to start with.

Like it or not, the Doctor was given the right.

[hwc]

Wait, when did he get the endorsement of the leader of Earth's forces? Who even was the leader of Earth's forces? Didn't he spend most of the episode in his magical coma and only woke up when they were all already on the ship?

[(Anonymous)]

SO much this. A well-crafted rebuttal.

[(Anonymous)]

It is not a binding contract for Harriet though, or Earth. The Doctor is not a legal representative of humanity. He just decided that's what he wanted everyone to do, while Harriet wasn't even there.

[bringreligiontothewamwams]

She begged for his help, and stood literally right next to him while he did intervene. Watch the fucking episode halfwit.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't worry, your crush on Ten is quite safe.

[lex_antonia]

And why on Earth (pun intended) would Harriet Jones be bound to the terms the Doctor negotiated? Not his planet, not his call to make.

[diet_poison]

I was pretty pissed at Ten, but I completely agree with your assessment of Harriet's actions. She had good intentions, but she made a big error.