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What's the deal with this being used to patronise and reduce the agency of asian women, and attack interracial relationships.

Like (invariably asian men or white women) gone on about how white men are only dating all these asian women because they think they're subservient, which hasn’t really been a real prevalent stereotype since the vietnam war, but let’s set that aside, and ignore this is saying these women are entirely incapable of realising this.

They’re criticising what they see as patronisation, and then saying that the women are too stupid to see when men are fetishizing them, or entirely incapable of saying no. Or that it’s impossible that asian women are doing fetishisation of their own.

I think it's pretty obvious the deal is a combo of racism and sexism also I don't think that stereotype is gone, though I certainly don't think every white guy dating an Asian believes in it.

And that's the fundamental problem I have with SJWs. They first assume that straight white men (and straights, whites and men in general) desire only to control, oppress and subjugate everyone else. That's fine. I don't necessarily agree with that, but I can understand why they might draw that conclusion. But then they turn around and insult everyone else by assuming that any person of x demographic who doesn't march in lockstep with their dogma is too stupid or ignorant to see the truth. Just tells me they're not actually interested in social justice, but in one-upping each other on how PC they are. They dilute the message, and their bad behaviour sours people who might otherwise be swayed. They're just a small minority of the wider social justice movement, and yet they have a very real, very dangerous effect. It's sad, really.

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Lawyers? Let's kill all the SJWs first.

(It's from Shakespeare, you twindigo speshul snowflakes, look it up.)

Isn't that scene ironic and entirely intended to take the piss out of the superficial sentiment?

The character who says "let's kill all the lawyers" is the entertainingly stupid anarchist of a comic relief subplot in one of the Henry VI plays (I think part 2, they all sort of blur into one play for me). The next thing that happens is they lynch a clerk because he can write, and teaching people to write makes them not true Englishmen. It's really quite a funny scene if you like insane troll logic humour.
So anyway, lawyer-killing isn't something Shakespeare said, it's something Shakespeare used as a throw-away joke.

Aaaand, that's enough soapboxing for one day.

+1000

This is why I tend to be so hard on SJWs, often as hard on them online as I am to dudebros and other majority-peoples offline, and why I rail so hard against them. It's really hard to tell my male friends to knock it off with the "feminazi" bullshit when many feminists are actually acting like the stereotype of feminazis. -_-

I lived in Japan for three years and there was basically the perception that every non-Asian western guy was there with an Asian fetish and wanted an Asian girlfriend/wife. It was true pretty often.

But then I started to realize, most of these girls have white guy/black guy fetishes, too. To the point where you'd see an adorable, fashionable and very attractive Japanese girl holding hands with a ugly poorly-put-together guy with bad hygiene, and parading him around like she won the lottery.

That's really simplifying those relationships and I know that is unfair on both their parts. But it was hard to ignore the realization that they both fetishize each other and that apparently makes them happy... for the time being, anyway.

I’ve definitely been subject to the whole east-asian women hitting on middleclass tall white guys thing.

All kinds of class and race dynamics to unpick, but hell, I’m not complaining.

There certainly does seem to be a mutual excoticisation and idealisation going on in a fairly even fashion.

I'm just thinking about M. Butterfly now.

...I was just thinking about that yesterday!

I haven't even seen it. But I recently watched eXistenZ for the first time and then yet again, so I'm all riled up and ready to restart my "watch every Cronenberg movie ever" quest.

I'm just thinking about M Bison.

And now I'm thinking about Rock Bison. And Fire Emblem grabbing his lovely squeezable buns.

Now there's an interracial relationship I am 100% behind (uh, no pun intended).

Yeah, this is one of those "just a cigar" issues, for sure.

Sometimes people who don't happen to be the same race just really dig each other as people. Who'd have thought?! :P

It is a pretty stupid concept. Fetishization of any group really sucks because it dehumanizes a group, even if (like some anime fanatics I've seen) it means you idealize normal people because they fit some criteria like race but when it comes to real life relationships, you can't assume you know what makes two parties interested in one another. Unless it's a mailorder bride thing.

On the flipside, I remember there's this tumblr where Asian women post awful messages they got from white guys on dating sites. Most of them read like this: "Asian men don't treat you right Come be my housewife I know you're monsters in bed but still know your place as a woman, youguysrockpleasedateme". Some of them got plain racist when they were told no.

That stereotype is still very much alive and kicking, along with the stereotype that Asian women are somehow sexier because of reasons.

I'm so glad your clarified what this is about because my first guess was jaundice and my second guess was that someone was gold hunting.

It's also a type of hemorrhagic fever:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow_fever

Good times!

I agree with the sentiment of your last paragraph, although not that of your second, since I don't think that stereotype is dead at all (although these days the expectation may be based less on ethnic background than on cultural background).

I don't like making assumptions about why particular couples got together, so unless I know either of them well enough to have reason to believe there's stereotyping and fetishization going on, I'm not going to judge. Even if there is stereotyping and fetishization at work, I'm not sure why I need to get upset about it as long as the relationship seems healthy and functional and makes both parties happy and they aren't hurting anyone else (e.g. going around saying "All you non-Asian women are too uppity to attract a man!" which I've never heard anyone involved in a white man/Asian woman couple say). Besides, stereotypes and fetishes can be subtle and unconscious, so the people who have them don't always realize how they drive their behavior, so how do you tell the difference between people who don't have a stereotype or fetish and people who do but don't realize it?

Also, I suppose being drawn to people of a certain race due to a stereotype (even one that's arguably negative) isn't going to get me as angry as people refusing to date people of a certain race due to a stereotype. I'd side-eye the guy who says "I'm just not attracted to black women (because they're bossy)" a lot harder than the guy who says "I like Asian women (because they're submissive)." The second guy isn't forcing the Asian women around him to be submissive - they are free to laugh in his face and walk away if they wish - but the first one is actively avoiding a lot of women because he has made an assumption and probably treating them rather poorly in the process.

Anyway, as a white woman who finds Asian men very attractive, let me just say: white men and Asian women can date each other as much as they want, it leaves more Asian men for me!

Eh, that stereotype isn't even remotely close to dead. It's still raring to go. I've had multiple dudes (studying East Asian languages you run into quite a few of them) who outright say that they're into Asian women because they're more submissive/domestic/feminine (while white women are too uppity/loud/assertive/masculine/etc).

That said, it's also common as hell knowledge that Asian women exoticize and stereotype white men right back. They're good husbands/real men/egalitarian (while Asian men are terrible husbands who work 100 hours a week, expect to be waited on hand and foot, are effeminate, and look down on women). Asian men complain about this all the time.

Not really sure what reality you wandered in from, but it's not this one.

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