[ SECRET POST #2510 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2510 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

07. http://i.imgur.com/cg4VG39.png

[(Anonymous)]

Is she gay on the show? I've never watched Supernatural, but I do love Felicia.

[(Anonymous)]

She is, yes. Also one of the best side characters introduced in a long time.

[(Anonymous)]

She is. Happily so. I don't watch Supernatural but I've tuned into the Charlie/Felicia episodes and loved them.

[ozaline]

I only watched the Oz episode, since I am into Oz big time, but I was kinda shipping her with Dorothy by the end, since Ozma is apparently a jerk in Supernatural. I figured she was one of the mains designated love interests... Now I want figs of her adventure s with Dorothy.

[(Anonymous)]

I know and understand what you're saying and somewhat agree, but I still get irrationally insulted and frustrated with fandom when they pair Charlie with men. She is my favorite TV lesbian ever.

[(Anonymous)]

This. I read a Destiel fic the other day in which the author mentioned that Charlie had dated Dean before realizing her sexuality. In that case, I think it was more that it was completely unnecessary, unrelated to the story or her character within the story, and never brought up again.

But then, I guess Destiel fans wouldn't be considered the best examples of the fandom anyway.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't get frothingly self-righteous about it, I just don't get the appeal. Don't most people ship slash because they can't usually get that dynamic in mainstream media? You get plenty of het, so much that the rare well-done gay characters just seem special to me. I don't really feel like doing anything but celebrating their in-your-face canonical sexuality.

[(Anonymous)]

I ship slash because I like the particular dynamic of two characters and could see it being romantic and/or sexual, not because I'm in desperate need for a gay couple. Het and femslash are the same way.

[lunabee34]

I ship unconventional pairings, both het and slash, because what interests me most in fandom is reading stories about how these people who are not in relationships in canon might start relationships. It's why the getting together parts of fic are always my favorite and why I'm very rarely interested in established relationship fic. I like the hard road to understanding why X character gets with Y character.

[(Anonymous)]

Even if that's why slash is shipped, isn't slash the majority of fic in the SPN fandom anyway? So wouldn't shiping Charlie/Male character kinda be the inverse?

(To be clear, the canon is not slash majority, the fandom is.)

[(Anonymous)]

I would never like, yell at someone about it publicly or anything, but...as a nerdy lesbian, I'm so happy and grateful to see representation that I definitely side-eye and judge fic writers who do it. Obviously everyone's mileage may vary and something that's important to me as a nerdy lesbian might not be important to EVERY nerdy lesbian, but when I see a fic where she's paired with a guy, my visceral reaction tends to be, "Jesus, can I not even have this? Can I not have this one thing, fandom, without you covering it in MORE white cock?"

Again, I'd never actually say that to a writer and I don't think it's the downfall of all queer representation, obviously, but it pisses me off and it's definitely enough to make me unfollow a person and add their name to tumblr savior.

[(Anonymous)]

MORE white cock

So her bagging Hendrickson's ghost would be okay?

[sootyowl]

I think it might have to do more with the lack of LGBTAQ representation on main stream TV, so people become defensive when Charlie's sexuality in fic is erased.

Of course, ranting on a PWP is a little odd. I don't think making her bone Dean or whoever would erase her lesbian identity, but I can see why some people would side eye the fic.

[fingalsanteater]

I'd side-eye a fic with shipping her and Dean on pinciple, just because I love their platonic brother-sister like friendship too much.

why would you want to write her as het?

[fingalsanteater]

She's canonically queer, hooray! Now let's write her straight? I don't like it.

Re: why would you want to write her as het?

[(Anonymous)]

some people like the chemistry between her and Dean.

[fleshisyummy]

Well, I mean, it is kind of problematic. I feel like a lot of people in fandom don't really understand that people can be completely gay? I feel like everyone champions the "sexuality is fluid!!" attitude when it certainly isn't fluid for everyone.

I mean, whenever people ship canonically gay or lesbian characters in het pairings, they always seem to say, "Well, it isn't impossible for a gay man or lesbian to fall in love with someone of the opposite sex!" I mean, it's not the most homophobic thing in the universe, but it does subtly contribute to the "gay people can change themselves" attitude.

[(Anonymous)]

I can definitely see the possibility for a really bad het fic starring her and a guy, but I'd still love to see one where she and Dean maybe have something friendly, which ends in her having a serious discussion with Dean about his own queerness. Though that discussion could happen outside of some scenario where they have sex, I think all of Dean's barriers are down when he has sex, and it could leave him more receptive to what she's saying.

Because I no longer have a headcanon where Dean is entirely straight. And it really has nothing to do with Castiel, though I do ship them.

[(Anonymous)]

One time I found myself thinking about her and Dean getting together, and then I felt really guilty about it for exactly this reason.

But then I thought "If I can ship canonically straight characters in queer relationships, why can't I ship canonically queer characters in straight relationships?

And then I felt guilty again so I'm just really confused and try not to think about it all.

[(Anonymous)]

I get what you're saying OP. With fan fiction people should be able to do whatever the hell they want. You want Dean to bang Sam on the hood of the impala, go for it! You want Bobby to rise from the grave for reasons and have him become a marine biologist, awesome! You want Cas to turn into a catboy who Meg finds in the forest and then Cas becomes her non-sexual pet, that's cool! But have Charlie sleep with a man and people freak the fuck out. On one hand, it shouldn't matter. It's fan fiction and that is all. It doesn't change Charlie's character at all on the show. She's still the red-haired, techno wizard who found the adventure she always wanted. Tweaking her sexuality for a fic really doesn't stop her from giving the LGBT community representation. So what's the harm, really?
In a perfect world, there would be no problem. But we don't live in a perfect world, we live in the real world, shitty world. A place where people have been beaten to death for being queer, a place where someone's sexuality is a determining factor on how many rights they have, a place where so many LGBT youths commit suicide because their bible thumping community tells them that they're wrong and they're dirty and bad and an abomination. So shitty world. That's why it's really not the same to make a straight (in canon character) queer in fan fiction verse changing a queer canon character's sexuality to suit the writer's purposes. It's totally a double standard but until queer bashing is a distant memory, it's a double standard that will be there. (And it probably should be).

[(Anonymous)]

I'm a lesbian and I don't care. I'd find it more irritating if an established lesbian character in canon gets with a guy - even though I believe and have seen it happen, because sexuality really can be that fluid, or someone is an exception, or you just like someone for who they are beyond their gender. But at that point it'd be like, c'mon, we don't have enough gay characters on TV to make that classy and cool.

In fanfiction? Fuck no, have at it! People ship what they like and that's okay, and sometimes you can interpret scenes as having sexual tension or chemistry even when the sexual orientations don't line up - I do that all the time with straight characters.

so ship away, I support all y'all

[(Anonymous)]

I shouldn't care, but I don't like seeing it, especially as a side pairing. Why bother writing her into a fic in which she isn't the focus just so you can have her banging a dude offscreen.

I guess I don't really get why you would bother though? There's plenty of het in the show and she doesn't really have chemistry with any of the dudes anyway, although that is just my bias.

[(Anonymous)]

If there's a more tiresome fucking fandom phrase than "sexuality is fluid," I have yet to hear it.

[(Anonymous)]

lol I love the small print. Can't argue with this. Considering the variety of different, um, couples in the show... I kind of get why it's frowned upon because her being a lesbian is canon - and Dean/Dog is as well?? XDD