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[The Hobbit]

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[The Fly 1986]

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[Slightly Damned]

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[Game Of Thrones]

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[DC Comics]

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[NCIS]

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[Roosterteeth]

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[Mass Effect]
[Art: The Shepard Siblings, by bigcman321]

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[Easy A]

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[Sleepy Hollow]

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[Sir David Attenborough]

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[New Tricks]

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[Hannibal (NBC)]

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Woman named Devin Grayson, who changed her name to match that of Dick Grayson, ended up writing him for a while in the 2000s. Things went downhill pretty quickly as it became apparently that she couldn't tell the difference between an interesting character development and wish-fulfillment.

The "best" part, however, was when Tarantula emotionally manipulated Dick into helping her kill a villain "for his own good" and then, as he begged her not to touch him while all but having a panic attack on a rooftop, stripped him and rode him hard.

Devin Grayson would later state "I never said it was rape, I just said it was nonconsensual" regarding the scene. Making everyone everywhere who knows anything about rape go "WTF?!".

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Okay, then.

As I said in my original comment: When headcanons become problematic.

If you're in your own world doing headcanons, or you're playing in a sandbox with a few other people, that's one thing. But fanfic stuff like that becomes canon and....ergh. *shudders*

That's true though of any extended universe with multiple writers and no central authoritative figure to approve/veto every little bit of "canon" that gets produced.

But yeah, I get what you're saying.

Creepy doesn't even begin to describe this.

Goddamit Devin

I don't know much about panic attacks, but I'm preeeeeetty sure having sex isn't the way to go about dealing with one.

I used to have them, and no, not generally. Non-sexual hugging CAN work, if the person who's having the attack is emotionally close to the hugger and trusts them, but (a) you'd have to have a very close relationship (of whatever kind) before you could even offer, and (b) if they start saying 'no', then obviously you back off, even if they are your partner or child or usually very huggy with you.

And, of course, point (c), hugging is really quite different to sex, and you shouldn't extrapolate from 'I heard how being held tightly by a close friend helped X through a panic attack' to 'I know what would make it better! The magical healing vagina/ cock!'

Alas, if it was a really bad depiction of "healing sex" I might be a bit more forgiving. But...I don't even think that was even trying to be healing vagina on Tarantula's part. That was entirely "I want you, you're in no shape to say no, and it seems remarkably unlikely that you'll say yes to me under normal circumstances after this".

*shudders*

Well then. That's... wow.

Nauseating?

That's one word. Horrifying is another.

Ok, firstly, Devin Grayson never changed her name to match Dick Grayson's.
Secondly, male comic writers also do a lot of bad writing and wish fullfillment themselves (thinks of Joe Kelly forcing his Wonder Woman/Batman ship as canon for starter, or Judd Winnick writing Selina Kyle as a sex obsessed sexpot. And god, don't get me started on Frank Miller and Black Canary)
Having said all that, yes, Devin Grayson is probably the worst writer that Nightwing ever had. And her casual use of female-on-male rape is highly problematic. But it never hurts to be a bit more objectively critical about an author.

Devin Grayson speaks like a politician. She said she didn't change her name to match Dick's BECAUSE SHE WORKED IN COMICS. She never said she didn't change her name to match Dick's surname. There is less than 1/2 of 1% of the US population with the surname Grayson, so from the woman who changed her mind about what is and isn't rape based on the outstanding flack over the above scene? Unless she explicitly says it wasn't because of Dick, I don't believe it.

To be honest, I'm OBJECTIVELY more offended by the fact that Tarantula used, manipulated and made Dick completely betray his principles (and that he *did*) than I am over the rape. The rape is completely terrible and makes me feel uncomfortable as hell. But the complete butchery of one of the Bat-Family's principles (and, arguably, the one that Dick holds most treasured. He's stood toe-to-toe with Bruce on Batthings he doesn't agree with, but the "don't kill" thing followed him through sidekick status, leading the Titans and his solo career). Devin Grayson broke DIck so that Tarantula could "save" him. That's what that reads to me and I can find no evidence to the contrary.

I'm not saying nobody has ever done worse. That would be crazy. I will even admit that part of my problem with the storyline/Devin's run is that Dick is one of my heroes. Knowing he's out there, even in a fictional universe, makes me feel a little bit safer. He was my choice on more than one "pick a role model from fiction" assignments in school. To see him taken apart and violated for such bad reasons hurt me more than most other terrible things done. So, yeah. I'm probably not objective.

That said, I also know I would never, ever accept an offer to write Dick. Not that I'd work for DC at ALL since the reboot, but even before that. Because I would have completely overturned everything in the DCU just to see Dick and Babs back together. And that's crazytalk.

I thought I'd read in an interview that she'd changed her name before she started getting into Batman. Who knows. I mean she is crazy enough about Dick Grayson that it's believable.

Well, you're a huge Nightwing fan, which does explain your hatred of Devin Grayson. I utterly love Dick too, but he's not one of my all time favourite heroes, so Devin's writing doesn't bother me quite as much. And I also think she did a good job writing Batman, which often gets overlooked over her shitty writing of Dick.
I guess I'm just sick of seeing Devin Grayson always get heaps of hate piled on her, when other male writers have been just as bad, or even worse when it comes to wish fullfillment and horrible mis-characterization. I just feel like it comes to a huge double standard regarding male and female writers working in the big two.
But yes, if you're a big Dick fan, I get the hate. Her writing of him is just painful

Male authors do get that level of hate occasionally. Scott Lobdell really got piled on for what he did to Starfire in Red Hood and the Outlaws (which I guess you could say was equivalent--in different ways, both authors distorted a character to fit with their fantasies.)

Because I would have completely overturned everything in the DCU just to see Dick and Babs back together. And that's crazytalk.

Hey, I'd read it.

If I wrote any Batfamily books, it would be all about the family dynamics of Bruce, Alfred, and the Robins and Batgirls, and I think a lot of people would find that boring even though I'd still write the characters as putting on their costumes and having car chases and fighting ninjas and Two-Face and shit all the time. (I'd also want Cass and Steph to be there and for Damian to still be alive, so it would probably end up as some kind of AU where the reboot never happened...)

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