[ SECRET POST #2512 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2512 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Secrets Not Posted: [ 1 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Really? Her whole thing was to be the target of abuse and rape threats, and to pine after / try to save, the man she loves. It was like a less well written Mario game where an especially bland princess peach is the one trying to rescue Mario.

[greenvelvetcake]

There was no real implication of romance, just friendship. Or are you one of those that insist men and women can't be friends?

[nyxelestia]

As far as I understand it, their relationship in the movie was meant to be a little open-ended and open to interpretation as either super friendshippy or romantic undertones.

Personally, I never saw them as anything but total bros and was confused as hell when people were talking about the romance in the movie (the closest thing to romance I saw was Pepper and Tony). But looking back, I can see how Nat/Clint could be open to both perceptions.

I am just hoping to see more male-female friendships that don't result in a lot of sexual tension or forced romance in the movies, and I have a strong hope that CA2 will deliver on that, and we saw a sliver of that in Thor 2 (or a meta and a clear example of that, which is what I prefer to see even though it's probably not what the creators intended out of it).

[diet_poison]

This. I thought Natasha and Clint could have gone either way and it would have worked either way.

The people who insist that Natasha's character is dumb or pointless because of Clint sort of baffle me, though. I think there's more to her than that.

[nyxelestia]

I think this might be some kind of reverse psychology type of thing - people are so used to seeing women only in action movies as a love-interest/smurfette whose presence is justified only barely by the movie's circumstances, they can't notice when a female character actually serve a non-love interest role in a movie (especially an action movie) and has their own story and functions in the plot. -_-

That was why I liked not just Natasha, but also how she stood in relation to the other male superheroes. Yeah, sure, there was a lot of fanservice involved with her - but there was also a lot involved with the other male characters, and the fanservice moments never really detracted from her narrative or plot functions, same as the male characters.

[diet_poison]

I agree!

I feel like if you can't see past the fanservice then the problem's on your end tbh.

[(Anonymous)]

What kind of fanservice was there? All I can come up with is the first scene where she was tied to that chair in that dress, but... the whole scene was her subverting the trope, using gender roles & male's perception of her to her own advantage and being a fucking boss.

So the outfit was kinda the point there, and it didn't seem at all like a fanservice to me.

[nyxelestia]

The first scene with Steve was basically a long close up of his flexing ass and with his chest heaving in that ridiculously tight white tee-shirt as he boxed with that punching bag.

That's the most blatant example. There are some others, much more subtle and/or going unnoticed because they play more prominently into other tropes (our only nude scene is Bruce, and a lot of people seemed to like his hairy chest...) but there was quite a bit of fanservice. Rather than detracting from the plot, all the fanservice in the movie was either woven smoothly into the narrative or actually served a purpose (i.e. setting the mood for Steve's fanservice scene, to establishing her character and most prominent skill set in Natasha's fanservice scene).

[tabaqui]

Wow, did *we* watch different movies.

[astridv]

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No, I got nothing.