[ SECRET POST #2512 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2512 ⌋

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Comments

Re: That's not how Battle Royale works

[(Anonymous)]

Hm. That's interesting. Some form of contract. But what if people made secret agreements? Tried to form smaller factions, maybe do a sneak attack, win things for themselves? I mean, you can't guarantee that they won't. And that means that you still have to be paranoid all the time. And how do you make decisions as a group? How are you going to stop someone from using violence if they don't like the group's decision making process? Won't that just lead to a total breakdwon of order?

Perhaps it would work better if you all just agreed to let one person decide, and give him or her all the power, so that if anyone does try anything, he or she can just go and take care of things. Keep order no matter what. I mean, it can't be worse than living with the constant threat of someone trying to kill you.

(in case it's not obvious I'm basically just making dumb Hobbes jokes at this point; I think the real difficulty with your plan is the practical one that everyone is dispersed and it would be hard to get them to all come together to make an agreement without them thinking that you're going to kill them)

Re: That's not how Battle Royale works

[ariakas]

Yeah I figured ;p These types of stories tend to take a dim view of humanity, but in reality, there are just as many "and the survivors helped each other selflessly" stories as there are "and then they turned on and ate each other like rats" ordeals.

I didn't know we'd be dispersed. Are we never together at all after getting the collars/being told the rules, then?

Re: That's not how Battle Royale works

[(Anonymous)]

The rules in the book are that you get released from the starting area at staggered intervals. So, yeah, you pretty much enter the playing field alone with no knowledge of what anyone else is doing out there.

I do agree that there's just as many stories about the one as the other, and personally I don't think human nature is either evil or good (but at the same time, re: Hobbes specifically, his argument is not really that human beings are intrinsically evil, or at least doesn't rely on it).

Re: That's not how Battle Royale works

[ariakas]

Ahhh I was less than clear, but for the latter stories I meant "accounts". In RL, you have desperate survival situations where people really did turn on one another (or at least one of them turned on the rest and had a clear advantage over the others, like a gun - see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clipperton_Island) but others, like the famous plane crash in the Andes, where everyone got along and helped one another to the best of their abilities.

Huh well that makes things more difficult, but I'd imagine there'd be a looooot of people just hiding. Or, like me, trying to find a cave or low place with overhead rock cover to block whatever radio or cellular signal they're using on the collars.

Re: That's not how Battle Royale works

[ill_omened]

What if the collar is designed with failsafes that go off if they lose radio contact, or if the collar is interfered with in any serious way.

This plan seems fraught with danger.

Re: That's not how Battle Royale works

[ariakas]

Less fraught with danger than trying to murder everyone on an island in three days? If it has a "failsafe" then it has delicate electronic equipment. Scratch it open slightly and go for a swim. Or just go for a swim. It's excruciatingly difficult to water proof electronic equipment, especially to any depth - as a diver you become keenly aware of this. Timer/failsafe = toast.

EDIT: honestly the signal producer/receiver would also probably be toast at that point, so you might be able to skip the cave thing altogether. And if they've waterproofed it in any way there will be seals. Damage one of the seals, then do it. Given that seals are generally rubber, and given that the collars would be damaged in any sort of rough fighting - which must be something they'd have to account for if they want to see people fight to the death - they can't have a built-in sensor to detect small dents, scratches, etc. Maybe something if the device is opened completely, but a grain-sized hole in a rubber or plastic seal? Couldn't work. Then go swimming! Problem solved.

Frankly, I'd say that's the braver course of action than killing everyone. If it works, you've saved them all. Either way you're risking your own life. Would rather do so selflessly or selfishly?

Re: That's not how Battle Royale works

[(Anonymous)]

Going for a swim would mean you leave the island, which means your collar explodes anyway. IIRC there weren't any landbound bodies of water, and no guarantee it'd rain within 3 days

Re: That's not how Battle Royale works

[ariakas]

No it wouldn't. Just dunk your head. Get a bucket or rig up a pool if you need to. Moreover, the equipment that's causing the collar to explode would be fried underwater (either a cellular or radio receiver if you're being monitored - meaning the person monitoring you needs line of sight so simply do it in a hidden location/at night; alternatively a GPS tracking device that wouldn't be able to tell the difference between "no water beach at low tide" and "underwater beach at hide tide" based on absolute position anyway), so that's more or less moot if you damage the seals and go for it. It wouldn't go off.

Re: That's not how Battle Royale works

[(Anonymous)]

Thomas Hobbes was a 17th century English Protestant, so he sure as hell did think that human nature is intrinsically fallen and evil. That premise would be so basic to any argument that he made that he probably wouldn't even have bothered to state it explicitly.