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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Yeah, but a lot of the foreign films nominated for Oscars are movies about white people speaking in languages other than English.

[(Anonymous)]

They'll still find some without white people protagonists.

And even then, doesn't hurt to watch movies that don't have American sensibilities, regardless of the protagonists' skin color. Though it's not that hard to find foreign movies, honestly.

[(Anonymous)]

Exactly. A good movie is a good movie, doesn't matter who is playing to roles. So, just watch good movies.

[(Anonymous)]

And many aren't. So, check those out. Problem solved.

[comradesmiler]

Yes, but those 'white people' might be from cultures vastly different from the norm.
(seriously, WTF anon?)

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT.

Seriously, French movies? Are pretty exclusively about White Dudes Being White Dudes With White Dude Problems. The only difference is that they speak French.

[(Anonymous)]

I think I've been watching different French films to you. I keep catching the ones with lesbians.

[(Anonymous)]

Okay I do watch plenty of French movies (I'm from Italy) but what movies are you talking about?! Have I just missed on them? I need them, anon!

[(Anonymous)]

I was exaggerating, slightly. I doubt you've missed them. The two I was thinking of were Le Voleurs (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0118100/combined) and the other was Tell No One (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0362225/combined). I think it's just because Film Four show a lot of arthouse cinema after midnight.

[(Anonymous)]

Ah, yeah, I'm sure I watched the first and almost sure I watched the second. Regardless, thank you. :)

[making_excuses]

This might surprise you dear Anon, but European cinema is quite varied and a lot of it is not like American films at all*.

We have our own culture and history which we use when making our films, not saying we are any better at representation or anything, but it is not just a carbon copy of American films. Though at least Scandinavian** films are quite good at portraying women.. So that is something?

Which reminds me I need to watch The Girl With the Dragon Tattoo at some point, why you didn't use the original name is beyond me: Men who hate women is an awesome title! because the clips they showed us in class was really different from how they are in the original.

*And yeah some of the films that makes it big is quite a lot like hollywood films, it is one of the problems we are facing in our cinema.
**Not excluding any other country, just that is what I am most familiar with

Minor tangent

[(Anonymous)]

I'm intrigued by what you'll think of the US one.

I saw the Swedish one first and then I caught most of the US one and got wierded out because everything was different in not good ways and I got a bit freaked by how much they sexualised Salander. In an ooky way.

Re: Minor tangent

[making_excuses]

I will hate it, I have seen enough of it to know that.

We talked about American remakes of Scandinavian films in a lecture not long ago, and the biggest difference between the original and the remakes, is that the remakes are "more Scandinavian" and tries to be darker and portraits things more on the edge than the originals. A lot of it has to do with the difference in culture, the things that in The US might be seen as on the edge or risky in our films are not seen as the same in Scandinavia. Also the female characters tends to be ruined a bit in the remakes.

wow that might have been the worst explanation I have ever written

[insanenoodlyguy]

The problem is artsy films don't always sell as good.

Hollywood Fomula isn't something you might want to work... BUT IT WORKS.

The problem with Hollywood is that the Hollywood Formula works though. And often people don't truly understand what makes a good movie within that formula and just use the formula... at the expense of good movies outside the mold.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think that it's that the Hollywood formula works per se; I think the problem is that movies for the US are almost exclusively internal productions, and specifically they're mostly Hollywood movies. This means that there are about 300 millions of people whose only media consumption is Hollywood movies, and they are attuned to that particular flavor of movie and aren't really exposed to anything else. However, in the rest of the world there's a tendency to show both internal productions and productions from other countries, including movies from Hollywood. Other countries produce plenty of movies that would be considered artsy in the US but that actually made it big in their own country and others. I think that the reason why those movies don't make it in the US is how insular they are in terms of tastes, not that Hollywood movies particularly work or that artsy movies don't.

[making_excuses]

I love Hollywood films!

What I was talking about was the fact that the films that make it big from outside of Hollywood for the most part are copies of Hollywood films, in Norway a lot of the films that we produce ourselves that makes it big in Norway are not artsy, they are just Norwegian and they don't really make it that big outside of Europe (or Norway for the most part to be honest).

Also did you know that about 50% of films in French cinemas are not American? They are French, because they have a pretty good system in place. In Norway we have maybe one or two films a month that are Norwegian and the rest is American. And that is only made possible through state run funds.

[(Anonymous)]

(late as hell, but own cultures and history, rather. Europe is hardly a monolith, not in terms of its highly varied national cinemas, their unique infrastructures and histories, let alone in terms of national histories and cultures overall.)

but yes, otherwise, good points.