[ SECRET POST #292 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #292⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Notes:

- I find myself growing tired of not!secrets that mock other people's opinions. Seriously, people. Grow up.

Secrets Left to Post: 03 pages, 70 secrets from Secret Submission Post #042.
Secrets Not Posted: 0 broken links, 0 not!secrets, 0 not!fandom,.
Next Secret Post: Tomorrow, Thursday, October 25th, 2007.
Current Secret Submission Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

I'm trying to figure out how to say this properly so I don't stick my foot in my mouth, but I guess I'll start with saying that that wasn't my intention at all, and it's certainly not true in every case where the hero/heroine is weakened.

What sparked this particular secret was that, in Bleach, I feel like fandom's somehow gotten the notion into their heads that Ichigo is a four-year-old mentally and physically, and LOLOLOL LET'S CONSTANTLY MAKE JOKES ABOUT HIS IMMATURITY/UKENESS/WEEPINESS/IDIOCY/WTFEVER and I was just tired of seeing him constantly weakened by fandom. I mean, jokes are all well and good, but once it gets to the point where if you write him physically stronger than a female character you get jumped all over, I think it's going too far. :/

And I understand what you're saying about women being weakened too, but in al honesty, I haven't really seen much of that. I don't know if it's the part of the fandom I'm in or I'm lucky in what I read, but in the fics that exemplify what I was referring to, Rukia and Orihime were constantly kicking ass and really being very strong characters and always saving the day, while Ichigo or Ishida or whoever they were supposed to be saving were crying about their feelings on the sidelines. (Er, and that's supposedly without any mind control or Aizen control or anything. Just up and weeping.) The fic that irritated me the most had an author's note basically saying that Ichigo shouldn't be the hero because he's a boy, and that somehow made him a weaker character.

So...I guess what I'm saying is, yes, women are downgraded too. But I don't really see that much in my part of the fandom; most of the time, I see the exact opposite, and that's why I said what I said. It honestly wasn't meant as a slight; I just don't see that sort of...misogyny, I guess, very often, so it just didn't occur to me. TL;DR, I suppose, but I wanted to offer my side of the story.

[maladaptive.livejournal.com]

Ichigo is an immature idiot! Just, uh, not a weepy or uke one.

I think the Bleach fandom is weird, because it has a lot of strong women and easy ways to get them out of the way of shipping problems. I think turning characters into weepy ukes is actually many fans' ways of expressing their love of the character, so I don't think they're being weakened so much as "I love him and I will make him uke cause that's soooooo yay!" That way they can hurt/comfort the character, or whatever.

Though some people may feel that way about Ichigo (and it's pretty idiotic to say that he's a boy and that makes him a bad hero-- there are plenty of reasons to hate on him, but that's not one of them), I don't know if it's all that widespread. At least, not enough for people to read the secret and go "yeah! Damn those people who hate men!"