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⌈ Secret Post #2524 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

1. Some don't.

2. Some do, but are still annoyed that this is always the ending female characters "want"; they're annoyed with it, not as Katniss' personal individual choice as a character, but rather as a broad scheme of things "oh look, ANOTHER female fighter has now settled down with the nice boy and had babies".

3. Some, like me, entirely understand (even from the inside) but are still saddened by it because it represents a kind of stasis in that retreat, especially given who and how she was before the Games, and wanted better for her (for ourselves) after that.


. . . and yeah, OP, if you're IDing that hard with end-of-story Katniss, you should probably get some help. Not in a dismissive way, but in the sense that one of the things I would love to export to Katniss as someone who loves her character is some really good psychiatric help.

[(Anonymous)]

Is there any work where a female warrior just rides off into the horizon towards endless adventure and battle and blood and guts?

AYRT

[(Anonymous)]

Well at the end of Pratchett's Monstrous Regiment Polly says fuck this shit, I'm going back to being a sergeant and saving my country, my brother and his new girlfriend can have the babies.

Re: AYRT

[hiyami]

*thumbs up* for Monstrous Regiment ending.

[(Anonymous)]

I can't think of one off the top of my head, but since the male warriors who ride off to endless adventure and battle and blood and guts make me gag, I may not have read it if it's out there.

[(Anonymous)]

Many Tamora Pierce heroines do! With or without marriage.

[silverau]

Charlotte Doyle? She's not technically a warrior though.

[(Anonymous)]

That's what I'm trying for in the story I'm working on. So...maybe there will be an actual published example of such a work some day? :)

[darkmanifest]

The finale of Xena: Warrior Princess. All I got off the top of my head.

[(Anonymous)]

All I could think of was Mary Poppins, which is a bit of a stretch in terms of her being a warrior..

[(Anonymous)]

There's the Darkangel Trilogy by Meredith Ann Pierce. The main character is a meek li'l slave at the beginning and... well shit, just by mentioning it I feel like I spoiled it. *lol*

[camwyn]

The Deed of Paksenarrion by Elizabeth Moon ends with Paksenarrion Dorthansdotter, having become a legendary paladin, riding off to a distant land to continue doing legendary stuff. bonus points for the female warrior being asexual in a quasi-medieval society.

[caerbannog]

As far as I recall, Elli in Tomorrow When the War Began and Tarma in Vows and Honour by Mercedes Lackey.

That's all I can think of...No wonder I dislike the epilogue.

[(Anonymous)]

Balsa in Seirei no Moribito leaves at the end despite her sort-of thing with Tanda, because she has other business to take care of, but I don't know what happens to her in the novel series after that point.

[(Anonymous)]

At the end of the movie "The Quick and the Dead," the Lady tosses the sheriff's badge to her almost-love-interest and gallops off into the sunset, clearly on to new adventures.

[insanenoodlyguy]

In the comic Daisy Kutter (scifi western) the protagonist, a female gunslinger, settles down, but does so as a sheriff of a town in somewhat less then safe territory. That work?

[diet_poison]

To be fair, Katniss wasn't really a warrior by profession. She was sort of forced into it.

[(Anonymous)]

The Quick and the Dead springs to mind.

[(Anonymous)]

""oh look, ANOTHER female fighter has now settled down with the nice boy and had babies"

But... she never really wanted to fight in the first place...? :|

[silverau]

This!

Katniss spends the entire series wishing the violence would end and wishing she could just have a peaceful life with her family. When she DOES choose to fight at the end of Mockingjay, it's not because she enjoys fighting but because she's overwhelmed with anger and vengeance, and also partially because she doesn't want to be a symbol of something without actually doing any work. Not to mention the fact that the war is over by the end of the book, anyway. There's no NEED to fight, and while Panem probably still has some kind of a military, Katniss would have no reason to still be involved with it. Like, neither she nor the military would allow that. She had just assassinated the President; the only reason she wasn't executed was because she was mentally unstable - there's no way they'd let her in the military after that. And even if they would, Katniss would hate that. From the very beginning of the story, she's hated being subject to authority. This along with the fact that she probably still has a grudge against the military for its role in Primrose's death.

So, yeah. I get not wanting to contribute to sexist trends in media, but at some point you have to look at what's best for the individual story. No matter what Katniss's gender was, having her continue to be a fighter would make absolutely zero sense. The only complaint I understand about the ending (from a feminist perspective) is that Katniss was childfree but Peeta persuades her into having kids. But even then, the only reason she gives for not wanting kids is that any kids she would have would end up in the Hunger Games, and by the end of the book that doesn't apply anymore. So that doesn't really bother me either.

[(Anonymous)]

Right? She was a survivor, and so forced to fight. At no point in any of the books did I ever feel it was even implied that fighting was something she lived for, so why is it terribly surprising that, once the need for it is gone, she wouldn't be doing it anymore?

Anyway, in these War Is Hell stories, traumatized veterans retiring into a quiet life of semi-anonymity are not uncommon at all, even for male characters.

[(Anonymous)]

That's was always my defense of Mulan's ending, whose ending had a similar complaints.

[writerserenyty]

Pretty much. She started fighting to protect her family, and that's what she wanted; people safe. She never dreamed of being in the Hunger Games or fighting the government,.

[diet_poison]

MTE.

I loved the ending, and I got the impression that that was what she really did want, not something that was just shoehorned in. I think she would have been miserable if she'd had to keep living the way she was her whole life.