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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-12-01 03:53 pm

[ SECRET POST #2525 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2525 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-01 09:50 pm (UTC)(link)
You have got to be shitting me. How would you like it if some dude from the future suddenly turned up telling you that he was going to kill your sister because her yet-to-be-born great-granddaughter murdered the guy's parents? "Perceptive, realistic, and honest"? There is no version of reality where "honesty" and "killing innocent people for sharing DNA with non-innocent people" come anywhere close to each other. Culpability does not work that way.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-01 09:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I mean, you know, I wouldn't agree with it, obviously. But I think I could understand where the impulse came from, if it was in the context of generations of oppression and violence. I agree that it doesn't make anyone culpable, but I also think that it's a little too simplistic to say that "Oh, they're just crazy." And I think it's more realistic to acknowledge that than to pretend it's simply insane. There is a reason on the side of violence even if it's ultimately wrong.
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2013-12-01 10:05 pm (UTC)(link)
"To the last of their race" is generally the point where Western cultures stop trying to make vengeance okay. It's where Defarge lost her moral compass in A Tale of Two Cities, and revulsion against it was what made the Count regain his morality in The Count of Monte Cristo. I think a line needs to be drawn between explaining it and justifying it, and some of these comments feel way too close to justifying.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-01 10:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, there's a lot of complex lines to draw - there's the line between justifying and explaining, and I think there's also the fact that I'm defending someone else's justification of the actions more than the actions themselves. And there's also the line between political action to redress injustice, and political action to attain revenge. So I probably have strayed to close to the line, unfortunately; mea culpa, and all that. I do think that the explanation that I'm defending does move away from the specific actions of the show, and towards a defense of the use of political action to redress injustice, and that's part of what I'm defending.

Yeah. It's a complicated and tricky discussion to have and I apologize if my posts have not done justice to it, as I'm sure they've failed to do. Revenge, especially revenge "to the last of their race", isn't something that I want to defend and justify, ultimately.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-01 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
Seriously. These people are fucking insane.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-01 10:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Hang on, are they straight-out grandfather-paradoxing here?

(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 03:57 am (UTC)(link)
please half of white fandom would be rubbing their clits just thinking about a dude like that.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-02 11:58 am (UTC)(link)
Right. Keep telling yourself that.