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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-12-02 06:28 pm

[ SECRET POST #2526 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2526 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Doctor Who]


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[Disney]


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[TMNT]


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[Thor: The Dark World]


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[As Told By Ginger]


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[daughter, purity ring]


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[Sleepy Hollow]


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[Attack on Titan/Shingeki No Kyojin]


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[The Producers]











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(Anonymous) 2013-12-03 12:50 am (UTC)(link)
I agree entirely. It was absolutely, 100%, the wrong thing for the Doctor to do, for all the reasons you said.

But it's not bad writing

That's the sort of mistake the Doctor makes, especially Ten. The Doctor saw it as saving someone vs. failing to save someone, a victory vs. a defeat, rather than looking at what it actually looks like for the person he was "saving". He likes tying things up in what feels to him like a neat bow, and he doesn't stop to think about what the consequences are after he flies off in the TARDIS, and I don't think he even understands 'real life' well enough to be able to conceptualise those consequences. I'd go as far to say its Ten's fatal flaw- it gets seeded as early as 'The Christmas Invasion', with Harriet Jones, and mostly culminates in 'The Waters of Mars'.

In "Love & Monsters", nobody gets up on a soap box and says: The Doctor Made The Wrong Choice. Look At How Wrong That Choice Was. It just lays out that this was a thing that he did, without commenting on it. This is a good thing for a few reasons:
-This episode was quite early in Ten's emotional arc. It wasn't time yet for a big revelation of his flaws.
-It was mostly a sentimental/comedy episode. That sort of thing would not have been tonally appropriate.
-The episode was not about the Doctor. It was from the point of view of characters who idolised him, and who would not have yet realised how badly he screwed up.

In other words, it was good, subtle writing which had a character act in character and display flaws which would later become part of his emotional arc. Bad actions on the part of good characters is not bad writing. Not being anvilicious is good writing.

(I'm not actually an RTD!fangirl. He's not my favorite showrunner by a long stretch, but I do feel the need to defend that episode sometimes)
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[personal profile] feotakahari 2013-12-03 01:22 am (UTC)(link)
I'm not a Doctor Who fan, so I know absolutely nothing about this. I may be getting things entirely wrong here. Still, this is what this argument sounds like to me:

* An episode is written as comedic
* It has an ending that's really depressing
* That ending is supposed to set up similar scenes in later episodes that are written as depressing
* That's good writing for setting up the arc, and not bad writing for treating as comedic something we're later supposed to take as depressing

That whole "It was comedic then! But the same thing is depressing now! Why aren't you crying now? It's sad this time!" thing is why I gave up reading Sluggy Freelance. It just didn't feel consistent. Like I said earlier, I'm approaching this from an outside perspective, but I can at least say that this description doesn't really make me want to watch Doctor Who.
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[personal profile] raaj 2013-12-03 01:42 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, it's not really encouraging me either. I can see how it might work with something where the fridge horror behind the comedy is subtler (and then the other scenes make it more overt and it's addressed as an actual problem), but... well, that kind of thing isn't even fridge horror, I'd be grossed out as I was watching.