[ SECRET POST #2527 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2527 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[likeadeuce]

Hah ha I think you're right. Though Ellis might have written something like that too.

[feotakahari]

I checked, and the comic I was thinking of was by Ellis, so it's unrelated to this secret. Oops? (Though I'm not that interested in trying out Millar after what I've heard about Wanted.)

[likeadeuce]

Which one?

Spoiler warning, I guess?

[feotakahari]

I wanted to avoid saying the title since I gave away the twist, but whatever. It's called No Hero, and I didn't feel like there was any point to or meaning in the increasingly gruesome violence. I thought it was going to make a point about how messed up violent vigilantism is, but it didn't really offer anything in its place.

Re: Spoiler warning, I guess?

[likeadeuce]

Ahh, gotcha! I missed that one but it sounds like the kind of thing he was doing a lot of for a while, so I'm not surprised (it kind of sounded like 'The Boys' at first, so I guess that's why someone thought you meant Ennis.)

Re: Spoiler warning, I guess?

[kamino_neko]

I was actually just going on the fact that Ennis and Millar are a lot more similar in tone than Ellis is to either.

Ennis and Millar use cynicism to justify gleeful violence.

Ellis is a strange combination of cynical and optimistic, and pretty big on absurdism over violence - though he doesn't shy away from it, if it fits what he's doing.

Also, while Ellis is not a huge fan of the superhero genre, he doesn't actively hate it as Ennis does, so violent deconstruction doesn't seem in character for him.

Re: Spoiler warning, I guess?

[likeadeuce]

IDK, Ellis is pretty famous for criticizing the superhero genre, isn't he? And I mean, he started The Authority and wrote Ruins as well as more hopeful things like Planetery and Global Frequency, so maybe he just has more range than Millar.

All I've really read by Ennis is Preacher and I wouldn't call that cynical but I don't know how this applies to something like The Boys or his Punisher run.

As long as we can all get together and agree to like Ellis and Ennis MORE than we like Millar, I'm cool.

Re: Spoiler warning, I guess?

[kamino_neko]

The Authority didn't become The Authority as it's generally remembered until Millar. Ellis had some significant violence, in his run, but it wasn't over the top, nor entirely gratuitous. It's with Millar that the rape and the torture, and the slaughter of whole maternity wings started. And Ruins is, IMO, less a comment on superheroes than a comment on Millar or Ellis's type of stuff.

I think Ellis's Punisher was actually pretty good, because he didn't really treat it as a superhero comic, but a violent vigilante story, which is entirely within his wheelhouse.

Hitman, on the other hand, had stuff like rapist 'hero' Bueno Excelente humiliating Green Lantern Kyle Rayner. Hell, it had Bueno Excelente, period.

Re: Spoiler warning, I guess?

[feotakahari]

Apparently, it was a sort of meta-series for him--Black Summer was a series about superheroes being too human, then No Hero was a series about superheroes being too separate from humans, and finally Supergod was about superheroes who were completely inhuman. The only one I read was No Hero--I think I found the collected paperback in the tiny pile of graphic novels at a library sale.

Re: Spoiler warning, I guess?

[likeadeuce]

Ahh, gotcha! I missed that one but it sounds like the kind of thing he was doing a lot of for a while, so I'm not surprised (it kind of sounded like 'The Boys' at first, so I guess that's why someone thought you meant Ennis.)

ETA: LOL, this reminds me of how Warren Ellis used to have an LJ alert or something for his name so that if you made a post with his name on it, he might come along and comment. That was like 2006 or so. Good times!