[ SECRET POST #2527 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2527 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

If we're taking the MCU as an example, it's not the case that government agencies have known about all these things for very long; SHIELD only found out about Asgardians a couple of years prior to The Avengers, and while they'd known about the Hulk for longer than that, no effective means of combating either had been developed. Think about the amount of havoc that Loki was able to create in Germany the last time they'd encountered him - sending a bunch of human cops or security guards up to that rooftop might have just gotten a lot of innocent first-responders killed (or mind-controlled) for no good reason if Loki was up there, as they assumed he was.

[crunchysunrises]

SHIELD only found out about Asgardians a couple of years prior to The Avengers, and while they'd known about the Hulk for longer than that
That seems like more than enough time, given how much government & military agencies can get done when they're motivated. Plus, with all the weird research going on in that universe and the mutants running around (That is the 'verse that shares space with the mutants, right?), I think they'd have something in mind already or something that they can re-purpose.

if Loki was up there, as they assumed he was
But they really don't have a reason to think he's up there. He's just left the flying carrier and simple maths will tell them about how long it'll take for him to get there. There's a window of time in there where the plot grinds to a screeching halt so that everyone can relocate from the helicarrier to NYC. There's certainly enough time for first responders (or even Tony's tower security) to help themselves to the cube and its machine, especially since the thing isn't even turned on until Loki shows up to do it personally.

[(Anonymous)]

That seems like more than enough time, given how much government & military agencies can get done when they're motivated.

And yet, they still haven't come up with a reliable way to subdue the Hulk, despite being profoundly motivated. The best they were able to manage was that cage. As far as the Asgardians, most of their abilities look like magic as far as the people of Earth are concerned, and a couple of years isn't that long in research time. Otherwise, we'd have cured cancer by now.

That is the 'verse that shares space with the mutants, right?

They don't have the movie rights to the X-Men characters, and in Agents of SHIELD (which explicitly takes place in the MCU), they've stated that there have been no confirmed reports of telekinesis on file, so it's looking like X-Men-style mutants don't exist in this 'verse.

But they really don't have a reason to think he's up there.

They'd know from Thor that Loki is a sorcerer. They have no reason to assume that he's limited to the travel speeds that humans are capable of. Given what they've seen him do (appearing in the SHIELD facility at the beginning of the movie, his illusory doubles and appearing to teleport), they would be foolish to assume he couldn't just pop himself right to Manhattan if he wanted to.

[crunchysunrises]

It took ten years (at least, within the U.S. and counting everything between Project Mercury and the Apollo program) to put a man on the moon. I suspect that the threat of alien invasion would rank at least as highly as space exploration within the research community.

And, considering the huge variety of mutations within the X-Men verse, the lack of telekinesis isn't an evidence of a lack of mutants, X-Men style or otherwise.

Loki has to walk the roads between world like everyone else in the first Thor movie. He says as much when he's talking about the hidden pathways between worlds. He may look like he teleports from place to place but Thor would know that he can't and doesn't actually teleport anywhere. If Thor knows it, there's no reason he'd keep Loki having X amount of unavoidable travel time from the rest of the Avengers since, as has been pointed out repeatedly, they're in the middle of trying to thwart his brother's alien invasion.

So nope, it's not unreasonable to assume that he can't pop himself into Manhattan.

[(Anonymous)]

The moon isn't dodging our rockets, or trying to attack us, and it behaves according to principles we understand and can predict quite well. That's not exactly the same as trying to subdue radioactive rage-monsters or alien gods. And if your conclusion is, "the heroes of the movie were wrong because the military should have had capabilities beyond what they are canonically described as having," I don't see how effectively this conversation is going to proceed because you're rejecting the clearly-established parameters of the setting.