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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-12-03 06:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #2527 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2527 ⌋

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Re: All of a sudden, I can see why educators everywhere are fretting so much about reading comprehen

(Anonymous) 2013-12-04 03:35 am (UTC)(link)
I honestly don't see this as a case of reading comprehension failure on the part of the commenters. As you point out here, Cinderella's case is as clear-cut and unambiguous a case of a certain type of abuse as one could hope to imagine, and OP has decided that Cinderella is lying about that abuse on the basis of OP's own assessment of their own stepdaughter's behavior. That does not bode especially well for how OP would judge anyone else who claimed to have suffered abuse in real life, since OP so readily dismisses the abuse suffered by a fictional character (which is portrayed from an impartial, third-person perspective). If the OP wouldn't believe Cinderella, given all that, who would they believe? That seems to be the sentiment in many of the comments here.
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Re: All of a sudden, I can see why educators everywhere are fretting so much about reading comprehen

[personal profile] poisonarcana 2013-12-04 03:43 am (UTC)(link)
Exactly. Cinderella is a goddamned peach in the story. Seriously, she's a huge sweetheart and always tries to be kind. If OP is seriously not believing a Disney protagonist, then where does it end?

Re: All of a sudden, I can see why educators everywhere are fretting so much about reading comprehen

(Anonymous) 2013-12-04 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
oh my goodness, really, don't you think there might have been a bit of hyperbole going on in the secret??? it definitely has that vibe to me.

Re: All of a sudden, I can see why educators everywhere are fretting so much about reading comprehen

(Anonymous) 2013-12-04 04:03 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

I'm not that optimistic.
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Re: All of a sudden, I can see why educators everywhere are fretting so much about reading comprehen

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2013-12-04 04:20 am (UTC)(link)
I guess it's because I'm focusing on the "made up the whole story" thing. To me, that sounds like the OP is electing to see Cinderalla as an unreliable narrator/point of view, and specifically to cope with their own frustrations.

Additionally, this implies to me that the OP does realize that the situation and behavior as presented in the story is abusive and unhealthy...which is why they choose to believe it is a lie, rather than "an exaggeration" or "not abusive". It sounds like, this particular instance of abuse did not happen, not this example of behavior is not abusive.

As such, if the OP saw/heard of this in real life, they would probably recognize it as abuse. But this isn't real life, this is fiction, and people often use fiction to cope with their real life, and they do so in different ways. OP is frustrated with a particular person in their life, and when they see a character who shares even the loosest of parallels to that person, those frustrations with the RL person got projected onto this particular character.

Re: All of a sudden, I can see why educators everywhere are fretting so much about reading comprehen

(Anonymous) 2013-12-04 05:41 am (UTC)(link)
The thing that makes me uncomfortable about the "made up the whole story" element is that a lot of victims of abuse get accused of lying in very similar ways. They're exaggerating, trying to get sympathy/attention, or making up stories to attack the abuser. So if that's how OP responds to a clear-cut fictional case like Cinderella, I see little reason to hope that they will be more accepting of real-life victims whose entire life stories they haven't just watched play out in Technicolor on their TV screen.
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Re: All of a sudden, I can see why educators everywhere are fretting so much about reading comprehen

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2013-12-04 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah. I guess that's the difference. To me, the secret sounds more like a headcanon than anything else, not a genuine belief that anyone who says they are being emotionally abused or overworked is lying about it. It sounds like a coping mechanism, in that OP is projecting their own RL frustrations onto this extremely popular piece of media that has certain parallels to their own life.

Re: All of a sudden, I can see why educators everywhere are fretting so much about reading comprehen

(Anonymous) 2013-12-04 06:21 am (UTC)(link)
That stepmother mutilates her own daughters' feet with a knife (I think that's modified in the Disney version, but still). There is no element of unreliable narration when you start chopping body parts of your children (or making them do it) for social status.
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Re: All of a sudden, I can see why educators everywhere are fretting so much about reading comprehen

[personal profile] nyxelestia 2013-12-04 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
That never happens in the Disney movie, and most people don't know that it happens in the original stories. Presumably, OP is going off the movie alone.