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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-12-06 06:50 pm

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(Anonymous) 2013-12-07 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
Except in this world being a bender isn't a privilege. It's a skill some people have. Just like some people can learn Chi-blocking. To be a decent bender takes practice, time and effort.

Equalists were a hate group that were stripping people of their individuality.
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[personal profile] blunderbuss 2013-12-07 05:27 am (UTC)(link)
Wait, you think that being born with the innate ability to control one of the fundamental forces of nature isn't a privilege? Sure, it takes time and skill to cultivate, but so does reading and writing and that is definately a privilege in our own world.

There are jobs that only benders can take, most of their leaders were benders, and many people were being victimized by benders with very little means to fight back. For fuck's sake, one of Amon's tricks was claiming that he had his face burned off by benders, and just a few decades ago there was a 100-year war that was mostly fought by benders that nearly ended in total genocide.

I don't think that being upset by all this and wanting to take benders down a peg just means you want to 'take away their individuality'. It's wrong and shitty and cruel, sure, but it's more complex than just a band of haters.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-07 06:35 am (UTC)(link)
DA. No, it's not a privilege. Nothing indicates that benders have more benefits than non-benders. They can do certain jobs, but that happens all the time, and the jobs that were exclusive to benders were grunt work. Nothing would suggest that a non-bender would be denied, say, an office job for a newspaper or something just because they couldn't bend.

People were victimized by mafia-type organizations. Mafia works pretty effectively irl and no one is throwing fire at one another here; the fact that they had not been caught is because they were a criminal organization-- crooks who pulled a bunch of tricks to escape the law. If they weren't benders they'd just be threatening the store owners with burning down their place with a regular old torch.

Two out of the five council members were confirmed to be benders. We don't know about the rest, but it's not a requirement. Sokka founded the council and he'd never make bending a requirement. We can assume that the Fire Lady is a bender, but the Earth King wasn't a bender in the previous season so bending isn't a requirement for being King/Queen either. The current president of Republic city isn't a bender. Two of the richest men in the city were non-benders.

The people who started the war started it because of waaaay more reasons other than 'they were benders'.

Amon was a rabble rousser. The problem with the show is that it completely failed to explain where he got the support because there was certainly economic strife and Amon gave people a scapegoat. But I hate the bullshit social-justice angle people have tried to push on a badly-written storyline.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-07 04:43 pm (UTC)(link)
Are you joking. Bending is absolutely a privilege, whether the show characterizes it properly or not. You have a whole group of people who can control the physical nature of reality around them, and another group that can't. It could not be more of a privilege. There are whole jobs that only benders can do, and other jobs that benders can do so much better than non-benders it's barely worth talking about.

Amon was depicted as a rabble-rouser in what I suspect was a semi-unconscious effort to discredit the idea of any Equalist-like movement having legitimate grievances. The whole conversation where the wise old hobo explains that they don't need to worry their pretty little heads about inequality because "down here we got benders and non-benders all livin' together," reeks of "my black friend says I'm not racist," e.g. having a member of an unprivileged class claim to be happy with the status quo as a way to discredit those who are unhappy with it.

ATLA only got away with the gap between benders and non-benders by resolutely refusing to engage the question at all, even though any sane person can see there would be huge, system inequality between the two groups. Legend of Korra decided to engage that inequality, but they did it in the worst, most ham-fisted way possible, first showing us the results of abuses of bending privilege, then basically claiming they hadn't actually happened.

Call me when non-benders can take government-sponsored chi-blocking classes. Until then your argument is predicated on canon's least-believable aspect: That non-benders would not constitute a permanent underclass.
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[personal profile] pts 2013-12-07 04:47 pm (UTC)(link)
THANK YOU.