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Computer is being a prick and I don't want to put it under the pressure of another open window or tab, so could you or someone let me know what the verdict is? Racist or not racist? and is the author allowed to say one way or the other?

OK, so I'll try to just talk a little bit about this overblown discussion on Tumblr, because I've been digging deep enough into that clusterfuck now to become seriously confused, and also completely baffled at some of the misconceptions these people have. I'm also rather offended that they just trample allover, and completely ignore Danish history and culture, and just impose US-centric ideas of minorities into a situation where it simply doesn't make sense. That whole minority-thing, and talking about people of color being represented in a Danish fairytale setting? Nope. Not at ALL applicable to Danish society during medieval times (Or in the 19th century for that matter). Doesn't make sense at ALL, so much so that any Dane would fucking LAUGH at the idea. But I guess that isn't the point, their point is to further their political agenda, and they don't care how much they trample over Danish culture (It is a Danish author you know) and history with their US-centric fanaticism on the huge circlejerk that is Tumblr. God forbid an actual Dane got a say.

First off, for those who don't know: Various social justice warriors on Tumblr, are allover a new movie by Disney called "Frozen", because they think the main character should be black instead of white. I'm Danish. I've visited the home of H.C Andersen, the author who wrote the fairytale on which this movie is based. I grew up reading his fairytales just like any other Dane. I've watched the Danish cartoon "Snedronningen" that was already made in the seventies, and which is also based on this fairytale, multiple times at christmas when I was growing up. I really like the story and H.C Andersen - I'm by no means an expert, but watching people speak with so much pretend authority is fucking baffling to me, when they are so absolutely clearly wrong and completely removed from Danish literature and history.

Here are some of the completely ignorant arguments (With the sources) I see on Tumblr, followed by my rebuttal:

There were Sami people in Scandinavia! Why not make the female protagonist Sami?
http://myvalentina.tumblr.com/post/62916906289/while-arguing-with-friends-yesterday-about-the

There ARE no Sami people in Denmark. Let that sink in. There ARE NO Sami people in Denmark. There never were. Guess who the indigineous people in Denmark are? That's us. That's Danish people (Safe for the 10% of immigrants that came during the past 100 years, German minorities which are white anyway, and so on). You're reading the words of a real danish native. This fairytale is about two Danish children. I know that you people live in the US, and that you're used to having native minorities around, but get this into your head: The natives in Denmark are the majority, and they are the Danes. And the main characters in the fairytale are white native Danes. They are NOT Sami. They live in a Danish city called Odense, for Gods sake - the same city where H.C Andersen lived! It's so absolutely ridiculous to me, that these people are so busy being morally superior, that they just PRESSURE their absolutely non-applicaple US-centric ideas of race and minorities and indigineous people, down over a Danish fairytale, as if every single place in the world is exactly like America. It is not. Trying to force "underrepresented racial minorities" is ridiculous when there were no such minorities. Or maybe it's because they, in their general attempt to be 'culturally sensitive' can't tell the difference between Norway and Denmark - and think that all of Scandinavia is the same.

Oh, and the fairytale absolutely sets off in Denmark. This was during the Danish national romantic era, and almost (If not all) of H.C Andersens fairytales took place in Denmark. It was written to a Danish audience. If you're so fucking desperate to throw in "minorities" in this movie, you may as well pick the fucking japanese, because that makes just about as much sense as the Sami who aren't around either. As if black people didn't make a tiny amount of sense already, but that sure as hell doesn't stop people from speaking "with authority" about it. Speaking of which:

There were black people in Denmark during midieval times, should they not be represented?
http://medievalpoc.tumblr.com/post/62902854107/this-is-a-collection-of-art-depicting-people-of

Yes! There were! Around a handful (And I do mean a handful). They were servants to selected members of royalty and nobility, which is why you will only see them on paintings of (Gasp) the royalty. The amount of black people in Denmark during medieval times were so infinitely tiny, and so segregated from the general population, that there can't have been more than a hundred at most in all of Denmark. If we, for a moment, say that this discussion is about historical accuracy, then yes there may have been like 0,00001% chance that the main character, Gerda, was indeed black - and that is itself just completely ridiculous given the name. But this fairytale was written by H.C Andersen - it's fictional. It's about a native Danish girl and boy, called by the white Danish names: "Gerda" and "Kaj". This isn't fucking America where minorities consist of hundreds of thousands or millions, OK? This is Denmark, where there for all intents and purposes were no minorities. Denmark was THAT racially homogenous. The Danish person on the street during midieval times would probably never even have SEEN a black person. Shit, there is a fucking Danish dictionary listing words from 1300-1700 by Otto Kalkars, and the Danish equivalent of the word "Negro" isn't even in it! That's right, the Danish people in Midieval times didn't even know the word "Negro". And if they were black in that story, you damn well be sure that H.C Andersen would have alluded to it, because it would have been insanely unusual. But nevermind that, because we all know that race relations in the US are universal, right?!

To be fair, there are other old words like "blåmand" that were used to describe people who were black, but that's Old Norse for fucks sake - that was hundreds of years before. During midieval times there were a few instances of the words "mor" or "morian", which is derived from fucking Latin. Not exactly the tongue of commoners, is it? The commoners would only see black people in paintings or on murals! To say that H.C. Andersen could have written about black protagonists is, quite frankly, hilariously stupid given the context!

This is getting awfully long, so I'll just stop here - but I will say that this is possibly one of the most frustrating things I know about "social justice" warriors. They want to pressure their fucking ideology down over others, and DAMNED be the people who stand in their way! They think the situation in US is the same as it is allover the world. When they start thinking that non-existant minorities should be present in an adaptation of a Danish fairytale, it is so damn ignorant that it's bordering on not being funny anymore. I know you SJW fools want to be sensitive to minorities in the US, and that's all well and good and I support you, but please don't make fucking historical revisionism about MY country and culture in the process, will you? They basically steamroll like crazy at 100 kilometers an hour - trampling everything in their way without ever bothering to look into the fucking culture and history of the country where the fairytale originated!

Oh, and here's another tiny fun fact: Skin color is the result of melanin in the skin. Danes have less of it, because we get less sunlight. Biology, bitch! But I guess feels is more important than biology, culture, and the actual literature that you're going to adapt.

Goddamn that was long.

TL;DR: Will you SJW's just fucking stop imposing US-centric ideas about oppression and minorities on entire cultures and countries where that shit doesn't belong?! It pisses us off. Thanks.

NAYRT - thanks for copying this, really interesting read.

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