[ SECRET POST #2543 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2543 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

01.
[Fangirl]


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02.
[Anne Neville, The White Queen]

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03.
[Patrick Stewart and Ian McKellan]


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04.
[Merlin]


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05.
[Elementary]


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06.
[Whitechapel]


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07.
[Grey's Anatomy]

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08.
(Legend of Korra)


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09.
[Papa Pear Saga + Doctor Who]


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10.
[Godfrey Gao as Magnus Bane in "The Mortal Instruments: City of Bones"]


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11.
[Kwon Yuri, Tiffany Hwang and Jessica Jung of Girls' Generation]


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12.
[Les Miserables/Anton Zetterholm/Rob Houchen]


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Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 01pages, 015 secrets from Secret Submission Post #363.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 0 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Woah, I haven't watched the series and have no idea about the White Queen, but I find shows retconning how much power women did not actually have "way back then" can be rose-tinted apologism for the past. Anything that pretends it was better sets my teeth on edge. I very much didn't like Hiddleston's wooing of the French princes in the Hollow Crown, because although Shakespeare's script couldn't be changed, the camera and acting seemed to agree that the fact that she had absolutely NO choice in the matter, was romantic and not incredibly rapeily fucked up.

It can sometimes be a fine line however. And I'm sure women often kicked ass in ways that were obliterated by history. But they were treated appallingly too.

[sarillia]

I'm actually more bothered by the opposite, where they make the past look even worse than it was. Makes people think we've made more progress than we really have. But I get where you're coming from too (my girlfriend tends to agree more with you than me too). It really is a very fine line to walk.

[anonymouslyyours]

I'm with you on being more irritated when people exaggerate how badly women had it because a lot of people seem to use that as reasoning for why women's progress so far is ~good enough~ or even use it as a biological determination kind of thing.

On the other hand there are plenty of kickass women in history and plenty of society's histories that would seem mindblowingly progressive compared to the modern person's belief of how ALL THE PAST WAS (tm) that making up or exaggerating historical women seems like some weird anti-feminist double bluff like "Nope, no note-worthy women in history. We had to make up stories because interesting women are fun fantasies but women weren't really capable or cool."

Oh but I also hate hate hate how 9/10 mainstream attention on male historical figures blows and distorts the stories out of proportion (Braveheart, 500, Gladiator, etc., etc.) but no one really talks about that and just goes on and on about how real men were so ferocious and kickass back then but when the same treatment is given to female figures it's all 'lol feminism'.


/randomly rambly rant over

[sarillia]

I like this comment. I love looking into kickass women from history and they definitely shouldn't be ignored.

+100000000000

[intrigueing]

Historical norms =/= not a single women ever managed to defy them.

[(Anonymous)]

good rant

[(Anonymous)]

Uh, women could have a GREAT deal of power in times like the Middle Ages. I suggest you read up on history more. Being treated like horrible doesn't mean women didn't run households, join guilds, and run shit. There are reasons why the preferred state for a woman in many time periods was that of a widow. Widows had /power/ man.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think the secret maker is saying that woman had no power in the Middle Ages, just that particular character wouldn't be as powerful as the show makes her out to be (haven't seen the show, just interpretation of what the secret maker was saying). They even compare her to two other woman characters, implying that those characters had political and influential power.

[(Anonymous)]

And I suggest you read the secret again; nowhere does it say that women didn't have power in the Middle Ages. Instead it specifically contrasts Anne Neville with two women who were notably powerful.