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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-12-23 07:02 pm

[ SECRET POST #2547 ]


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needing enemies

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 02:05 am (UTC)(link)
I was way too late to respond last night but someone made a comment about internet bullies for 'safe spaces' needing to turn people into enemies so they can be heroes and that really struck a chord with me. Do you guys think that's part of it? Most of it? Makes sense to me given that the internet often seems like a gathering place of people who don't have a ton of power in the real world to create power structure for themselves in the online world.

And that's a perspective that makes me feel better when I feel bothered by all the hair-pulling.

Re: needing enemies

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 02:13 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah, I can definitely see that.

But, I'm really disappointed that you weren't recruiting enemies. I'd gladly be your arch-nemesis.

Re: needing enemies

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 02:17 am (UTC)(link)
It sounds about right, yeah.

Re: needing enemies

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 02:24 am (UTC)(link)
That's kind of a sad commentary, isn't it?

To what extent do we, at our current state, need a power structure? When we fight against oppression, are we fighting for equality or for the chance to subdue others? When we complain about a lack of fairness, are we expressing our frustration with the system or with the fact that we aren't in charge of the system? This is why revolutionaries who start out truly believing in and advocating for popular sovereignty transform into despots. On that front, we're still embarrassingly primitive.
starphotographs: ...I'm not that bad, though. And I don't even light things on fire! Well, not regularly... (Izaya (devious))

Re: needing enemies

[personal profile] starphotographs 2013-12-24 02:32 am (UTC)(link)
LOL, this reminds me of the time that Autotune the News summed up all of human history:

"Liberty, or tyranny?"
"...I guess that depends who gets to be the tyrant!"

Re: needing enemies

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 05:00 am (UTC)(link)
AYRT

Hey man, thanks, because that gave me some much needed perspective and a blessed awareness that I am, in fact, a pompous ass.

Let's not that be a year from now eh.
starphotographs: (Stein (being earnestly pedantic))

Re: needing enemies

[personal profile] starphotographs 2013-12-24 02:28 am (UTC)(link)
I think that makes a lot of sense.

I also kind of think that there are a few different directions for people who grow up with a lot of fiction where people go on epic adventures and shit: they start writing their own epic adventures and live vicariously through their characters, they become SJW and convince themselves they're on some kind of righteous crusade, or they... Keep getting over invested in fiction like they have all their lives. Or some combination of the three.

About 0.01 percent actually get to go on adventures. Good for them!
intrigueing: (piper and trickster have no taste)

Re: needing enemies

[personal profile] intrigueing 2013-12-24 03:48 am (UTC)(link)
Oh yeah, absolutely. Not that everyone, or even most people, who like safe spaces are like that, but I'll bet most of the most vocal ones are.

*COUGH* still so not over scans_daily *COUGH*

Re: needing enemies

(Anonymous) 2013-12-24 09:53 am (UTC)(link)
I've long been of the opinion that almost every problem that exists in our world exists because people have the "Them and Us" mentality hardwired into them.

Every group of people, Online and IRL, no matter the nature of the group or how noble the goals of the group may start out, EVERY group eventually adopts the "Them and Us" mentality, were they need to be the good guys in their own fight, and need to demonise the other.

Be it nations against nations
neighbourhoods against neighbourhoods
families against families
whites against blacks
whites against asians
whites against native americans
whites against... well everyone, even other whites who are not white enough
SJW's against whites, men, the able bodied ... etc, ... Other SJW's
men against women
women against men
misogynists against feminists
feminists against mra's
christianity against 'sinners' (gays, women, non-believers)
atheists against Christians
everyone against jews
people with souls against gingers.
male geeks against female geeks
comic geek against video geek
Xbox against PS

I'm sure I'm missing oodles of them but I feel I've made my point.

It's a sad and self perpetuating cycle of attack and counter attack that exists in every facet of human life no matter how mundane, and there's no way I can see of breaking these cycles, because everyone on every one of these sides believe that THEY are the good guys, that THEY are the innocent victims that need to stand up for themselves against the enemy. No-one is ever willing to let go of their righteous victimhood and acknowledge that they, by merit of holding on to this cycle of attack and counter attack, are just as guilty of perpetuating the cycle.