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⌈ Secret Post #2552 ⌋

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Comments

Re: Ugh

[(Anonymous)]

Could you give me a specific name? To be honest, when people turn up tomorrow to call me a troll, I'd like to be able to push some of the blame off on to you. =)

I wouldn't say I've been deliberately inflammatory. but I have been picking hard line quotes because 1. it should lead to discussion 2. these opinions are still valid in my eyes, even if modern feminism has tried to leave them behind.

To be honest, the feminist fight is no less a war today than it was in Dworkin's day, and, in that analogy any army that leaves behind a capable and committed warrior like Dworkin is, in my own opinion, doing something very wrong.

Re: Ugh

[(Anonymous)]

Are you for real? So you really think that women's relationship to porn is equivalent to Jews' relationship to the Holocaust? And then you say you aren't being deliberately inflammatory? I'm not calling you a troll here, but you have got to recognize that what you're doing isn't exactly conducive to your stated goals.

And I can't even begin to address the whole war analogy thing, there's so much wrong with that that to try to start with one part of it leaves me overwhelmed by the others.

Re: Ugh

[(Anonymous)]

No, of course I don't think it's equivalent. I never said anything about the scale of the atrocities being even remotely comparable, and neither did the above quote, people are being far too reactionary on that.

I simply suggest the mechanics of those two scenarios are the same. the outcomes are obviously not comparable ) but the mechanics are the same I.E. The oppressed group supporting the tool used to oppress.

Re: Ugh

[(Anonymous)]

DA

The above quote said nothing about what it's comparing at all, is the point. It didn't mention scale. It also failed to mention 'mechanics' or 'tools of oppression' or any details about what comparison is being made. It literally compared a popular porn magazine to a manual used in the Holocaust. That is what it did, and all it did.

So of course people are going to roll their eyes because there are so many other ways that those two things are not remotely comparable. You used an awfully unclear quote that could be taken a variety of different ways, and turning around and blaming people for not interpreting the awfully unclear quote exactly the way you wanted them to, is silly. Admit it and move on.

Re: Ugh

[(Anonymous)]

No, that does not fly at all. The mechanics aren't even remotely similar. There is zero similarity to the two situations whatsoever. To claim such is colossally ignorant and fucking offensive.

Go ask a Holocaust survivor how they feel about this comparison. Go on, I fucking dare you.

Re: Ugh

[intrigueing]

The mechanics are the part that are THE MOST DIFFERENT. You could possibly get away with saying something like, I don't know, the underlying principles of dehumanization are the same -- although the fact that Hugh Hefner never killed six million women would still get you side-eyed -- but the mechanics??? The mechanics have NOTHING in common whatsoever.

Re: Ugh

[(Anonymous)]

1. Random quotes without context rarely start discussion. 2. You *might* be able to make an argument but it would be pretty weak because comparing large scale genocide [along with other things] isn't the same as reading a nudey magazine.

If that "capable and committed warrior" is doing [or in Dworkin's case, has said] things that are hurting them far, far more than helping? Then they're doing *something right* when they leave them behind.