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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-12-29 03:51 pm

[ SECRET POST #2553 ]


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fingalsanteater: (Default)

Re: Please explain to me why the SJWs DON'T stand for oppression, censorship, and thought-policing.

[personal profile] fingalsanteater 2013-12-29 09:49 pm (UTC)(link)
People who harp on SJWs and insist they need to prove themselves or whatever are more fucking annoying than actual SJWs, I swear. At least I can ignore them when they get over zealous because they are typically confined to Tumblr. But anti-SJWs insist on puking their thoughts all over the internet, cluttering up forums that typically have no problems with SJWs with their "WHY DO SJWS SUCK SO MUCH" threads. Take your bullshit back to Tumblr.

No one needs to convince you of anything. Do your own digging to see what social justice and awareness has done if you are really interested. But, I think you are more interested in stirring up shit and being annoying.

Re: Please explain to me why the SJWs DON'T stand for oppression, censorship, and thought-policing.

(Anonymous) 2013-12-29 09:57 pm (UTC)(link)
This, oh my fucking god. Not to mention a lot of anti-sjws resort to racism and misogynistic bullshit when they rant about them. That's not to say that SJWs are any better though.

OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-29 10:42 pm (UTC)(link)
From recent examples in the news this is what "social justice and awareness" has done.

1. Cost people their jobs for things they did on their own time.
b. The above means their families if they have any are at risk.
There have been at least three examples I think of off the top of my head recently.

2. Cost a child his education <--- this is the one that really boggles me DO I NEED TO EXPLAIN why this is bad?

3. Made English-speaking people afraid to use certain English words for fear of being attacked. All over the Internet.

But, I think you are more interested in stirring up shit and being annoying.

Which is a good example of how a SJW (or sorry someone who is "pro-social justice") would attempt to deflect any criticism back onto the person who is speaking up. Whether you are doing this or not I do not know and will not say. But I think it is interesting that you are trying to deflect the conversation on to what YOU think I am doing and thinking. That seems to be a typical tactic for any one person who dares to criticize "social justice."

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-29 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
Can you link these because I've only seen 3. used sparingly and tend to disregard the majority as stupid

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-29 11:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Not OP

There's been instances where they've found people's contact info and put it up publicly so they have harassed a person for saying some unsavory stuff.

I unfortunately don't have a link on hand, but I see a post where a guy said a racist remark and someone dug up his contact info, posted a picture of his house and its location encouraging people to harass him. He responded with his cell info because he didn't want them him to harass his parents. And one person responded around the lines of harass his parents anyway to show him a lesson.

I heard someone mention here that Laci Green, a youtuber who does sex positive stuff, had a similar experience because she used an offensive term in an older video. I believe she had to move to avoid the harassment.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-29 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
*did see

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-29 11:29 pm (UTC)(link)
Honestly, OP, that kind of behavior isn't limited to SJWs.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-29 11:41 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, but I do expect groups that do have behavior like that to not encourage mob mentality and disassociate with people who do those things. And just because other groups have done those sort of things doesn't suddenly make it less excusable.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-29 11:48 pm (UTC)(link)
I didn't say it was excusable, simply that SJWs are hardly the only group to do it - nor to do it in the name of a [generally] good cause.

OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-30 12:25 am (UTC)(link)
+1 to this nonny IA 100%

OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-30 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
I was talking more in re: the stuff that hit the news; the things you posted are just terrible!

OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-29 11:27 pm (UTC)(link)
Here is the latest one who lost her job (she was presumably not on the clock when it all went down):

OK I can't find the exact article I read (it was very good and well-balanced) but just search for Justine Sacco. Apparently Google had a countdown tracking her flight, and someone posted a picture of her when she landed at Heathrow. The article I read was by a woman who had interacted with Sacco briefly on a professional basis, it was really well-written, if I find it, I will post it. Here's a roundup of the "reaction shots" someone else posted (take note of #4 on the Tweets listed there):

http://freebeacon.com/blog/sating-the-hungry-mob/

Here's an editorial that thinks the mob went too far:
http://www.splicetoday.com/digital/was-justine-sacco-the-victim-of-bullying

The kid was a 6-year-old boy who was suspended/expelled(?) from school for kissing a little girl's on the hand after being told not to. Discipline the kid for not respecting boundaries, sure, I get that; the school in question expelled the kid and marked him as a sex offender on his record.

OK, I couldn't find an unbiased link for the first one, but apparently ANOTHER six-year-old has been suspended "for making a gun gesture with his hand."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9776560/Six-year-old-suspended-for-making-gun-gesture.html

Here's a good link, though HuffPo isn't exactly unbiased. Looks like the latest news is good for the first kid, however:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tag/hunter-yelton
fingalsanteater: (Default)

Re: OP

[personal profile] fingalsanteater 2013-12-29 11:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I think you may be unfamiliar with zero-tolerance policies in schools, which are really unrelated to internet SJWs.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-30 12:11 am (UTC)(link)
None of those are SJW things though? Also I tihnk the first link is missing.

OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-30 12:36 am (UTC)(link)
Also I think the first link is misssing.

Sorry, here's the #4 tweet from the first link:

https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?in_reply_to=414376248421253120&original_referer=http%3A%2F%2Ffreebeacon.com%2Fblog%2Fsating-the-hungry-mob%2F&tw_i=414376248421253120&tw_p=tweetembed

I am not on twitter that is just the only way I could get the tweet to show up.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-30 12:57 am (UTC)(link)
That's a twitterstorm, not sjw-ing.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-30 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
I stayed silent through most of this thread. Even when you accused people of not doing positive things in the name of social justice (to add to the two above, I have volunteered at a shelter for women who are struggling to get back on their feet (either b/c of abuse, being in jail, drug addiction whatever) and their families since 1994. I have volunteered in hospitals and retirement communities and worked to get same sex marriage approved (my church is very into positive activism), etc. And while I wouldn't consider myself a SJW, I would consider my actions to be at least partially fighting for social justice.

However, I cannot let that example about the six year old boy slide. It was a recurring thing. He was making unwanted advances toward another human being. His mother was trying to excuse his actions as "boys will be boys" and "of course she wanted it". No. That leads to college aged boys doing things that are worse and trying to excuse it with the same excuses. He needs to learn now that no means no. It isn't a difficult concept, but an important one.
fingalsanteater: (Default)

Re: OP

[personal profile] fingalsanteater 2013-12-29 11:37 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh wow. You mean bullying assholes did shitty things and made excuses for their behavior? Like all sorts of people don't do things like that online and off? There's a reason why SJW is a pejorative term.

You are not "speaking up" because this thread won't reach anyone pertinent or anyone who cares. This is the very definition of speaking into a void. If I want to discuss climate change, raving to the cashier at Toys R Us about global warming isn't "speaking up," it's just annoying blather.

I'm serious. If you want to complain about SJWs, take it back to Tumblr where it might be more relevant.

Re: OP

(Anonymous) 2013-12-30 03:25 am (UTC)(link)
All of this.