[ SECRET POST #2553 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2553 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

You know, I stay 100% clear of the fandom, but because I found the 2003 fans to be monstrous. I like Brotherhood better because.. well, I like it better. There are things about the original series I really don't care for, but mostly I just prefer the storyline of Brotherhood. I don't think there's anything wrong with that. To each their own! But I had to stop following any and all FMA fanblogs because of a thousand and one passive aggressive 'this is why FMA2003 is superior' posts. I honestly didn't expect their to be such a huge divide. I understand that people grew up with this show, but it seems intensely disrespectful to shit all over the manga it sprung from, and the anime that covered said manga.

I honestly don't know where you're getting this Brotherhood Snob-Cult from. In my experience, the 2003 fans vastly outnumber the Brotherhood motley. Or at least they are way more vocal and knee-jerk petty.

[likeadeuce]

When I read a secret like this, I definitely suspect there has been bad behavior on both sides.

[(Anonymous)]

SA

Oh, definitely. I mean, of course you're going to get manga purists singing Brotherhood as the one-true-FMA. It's just been in my personal experience that FMA2003 sings it right back, and with the clout of a fandom that had been around for nearly a decade before Brotherhood debuted.

[likeadeuce]

Y, that kind of matches what I've observed. I mean, I don't question OP's experience (sometimes it just takes ONE person to turn you off a fandom), but overall 2003 definitely seems like a more established fandom, and it's the one people outside a few manga-specific communities always assume I'm talking about when I bring it up.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

The vast majority of what I see slung from the 2003 side is in reaction to shit from the Brohood side, because of the Brohood fans calling '03 a "piece of shit" and saying it "shouldn't have been made" and telling new fans not to ever watch it (instead of, y'know, realizing that tastes differ and trusting them to make up their own minds), or making up bullshit reasons to hate on '03, and saying that Brohood is so much better and the only one worth watching because it's the manga storyline, etc.

[gabzillaz]

MTE

[(Anonymous)]

Eh, I'm pretty sure that was the 2003 fans reacting to the earlier insane snobbishness of the manga fans, which began way before Brotherhood happened -- I'd say it began right around the time 2003 ended. Thing is, there wasn't a big fandom divide while 2003 was running. Most fans liked both anime and manga, differences aside.

Then the anime ended and a bunch of people started essaying on how awful it was and always had been, completely "forgetting" all the praise they'd given each new episode as it was released. It's ok to change their mind, but they wouldn't admit that they had. Instead they chose to act like they'd known all along that the anime was terrible and that anyone who still liked it (who ever liked it) was stupid. They were the most snobbish and hypocritical fans I've ever seen, and I don't blame the 2003 fans for whatever vitriol they developed.

[(Anonymous)]

Don't you think it's possible that they disliked the finished product? I mean, I could care less whether or not someone is 'pretending' that they always hated it. But I've been known to really side-eye things I loved after I watched and enjoyed. There are many shows and books and movies that I adored, but didn't hold up once I looked too closely, or even watched it again.

I just don't know what this has to do with Brotherhood. FMAB came out in 2009. The 2003 fans simmered for five years over changed opinions? Even though the 2003 show was EXTREMELY popular, and as someone pointed out, is the show people assume you're talking about to this day when discussing FMA?

[(Anonymous)]

I think my main point here is that even back when FMA2003 ended, the fans of the anime dwarfed the manga fans. They still do. Building up a bunch of Brotherhood pre-hate for five years because of a tiny fraction of the FMA fandom seems the opposite of justified. Seriously, back when I was cautiously sailing the FMA fandom waters and realizing that my preference for Brotherhood was a criminal offense, if you had tried to explain that manga fans ruined it for me half a decade ago I would have told you to go screw.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, I know it's because they disliked the finished product. But they never said that. It's great that you don't care if someone's "pretending" they always hated it. I do. Belittling other people for liking the same thing you used to like without admitting you used to be like them is shitty.

The manga group was smaller, I admit that, but vocal minorities are always the groups that ruin things. The manga fans were a small, elitist, extremely vocal minority, and they're what I see when I see anything about FMA.

[likeadeuce]

"vocal minorities are always the groups that ruin things"

Isn't the idea that obnoxious majorities keep people from expressing opinions one of the central ideas behind the existence of fandom secrets?

What I'm getting from this thread, as somebody who came to the fandom long after ANY of this went down, is that there was some bad behavior on all sides, and people on all sides who haven't gotten over it.

OP

[(Anonymous)]

In my experience? Yeah, there was some animosity with the anime vs. manga fans before Brohood came out, but it was fairly easy to avoid. Now? There's Brohood fans jumping into discussion threads for 2003 with things like
"can we not talk about that piece of shit anime?"
"That (2003) should never have been made"
"That shit's not canon anymore, this [mangahood plot point] is what happened"
"You don't need to watch that piece of shit now that we have Brotherhood"
and you CAN'T AVOID IT because it pops up everywhere. Not without leaving the fandom entirely, which I don't want to do, because I still love the 2003 series, still love the manga, and have made some really good friends here. I would even still like parts of Brotherhood if these idiots hadn't soured it by association.

Re: OP

[likeadeuce]

Out of curiosity, where do these conversations happen? Tumblr? Message boards?

I'm just genuinely curious where the fandom is located these days!

Re: OP

[(Anonymous)]

Tumblr, which I'm pretty sure is most if not all of the problem. Back in the day of LJ and message boards I could avoid a thread or a whole board if it had a tone or leaning I didn't care for, but on Tumblr it isn't so easy.

Re: OP

[likeadeuce]

Ahh, yeah, the tumblr community for FMA, such as it is, seems to be pretty unpleasant no matter which 'side' your on.

I do think it's a shame that there seems to be so much more energy spent squabbling than celebrating the stuff people like.