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[Hobbit movies, Silmarillion]

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[Ripper Street]

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[Avengers]

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[Sekai-ichi Hatsukoi]

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[Game of Thrones]

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[Sherlock Holmes/Star Trek: The Next Generation]

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[Soukyuu no Fafner]

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[Attack on Titan]

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I honestly don't see why I should have to provide any more of an answer to a question that I think is worthless than "I think that question is worthless and so I don't have an answer to that." It's like being asked what my opinion is on who's going to win the Super Bowl, or what my favorite episode of Doctor Who is: I don't care. I'm not trying to be "progressive" by not choosing a side, I'm not choosing a side because I really don't care. And sometimes I don't see why anybody should.

Because unlike those things it's a question that should fundamentally change the way you interact with the world?

jfc I get sick of these 2edgy4me kids

Then you're sick of yourself?

Why does it have to fundamentally change the way you interact with the world? I'm a Christian and my girlfriend is an atheist and we both pretty much interact with the world in the same way.

nayrt

I think that if you really drill down to... maybe the logical consequences of a certain way of looking at the world, it would make sense that there ought to be differences in your fundamental assumptions about how the world works, and that those should result in different behaviors. But one of the broad characteristics of the (cosmopolitan / urban / rationalistic / modern / Western) world seems to be, for whatever reason, that religion is not a determining factor in this way - it doesn't have that central role.

But I also think that the difference between atheist/Christian is in some ways less than the difference between agnostic and believer/nonbeliever.

Probably because, outside of vague lipservice the western world is to a large extent secular. They just haven't given up the, by this point almost cargo cult replication of religious practices.

You get almost no 'true believers', and when you do, it just serves to underline the stark contrast between the two.

THIS.

I can see how there might be such differences but I don't understand why you would make that kind of automatic assumption like the anon I was replying to did.

Technically my girlfriend and I are both agnostic; I'm an agnostic theist and she's an agnostic atheist. Which I suppose provides an even stronger argument for why we would think similarly. I can see how a gnostic atheist might have more in common with the kind of gnostic Christians I know than they do with us, like you're saying.

Uh... how?

Why should it? Even when I did believe in God with all my heart, I still followed my own conscience and ethical beliefs with regards to my actions, I still saw the physical world in the same way, and I still slept in on Sunday mornings. My atheist friends still behave way more like religious people, attending "meet ups" every Sunday, quoting "prophets" such as Christopher Higgins as if they were the word of god, and getting into pointless theological arguments online with people who's opinions were never going to change.

If it should fundamentally change the way I interact with the world, then why is it that I've never seen anyone that it does?

DA

It's Hitchens. I apologize if I'm being rude by pointing that out.

Ah, thank you. I had him confused with te Higgs-Boson.

Seriously.

You're welcome. And, haha, if it is any consolation Christopher Higgins sounds much better.

If it should fundamentally change the way I interact with the world, then why is it that I've never seen anyone that it does?

You answered your own question: Because these people have not been fundamentally changed. Those who have been fundamentally changed, tend to, er, go the way of most of the protagonists in The Martyr's Mirror, unfortunately.

I'm gonna assume that means you agree with me, then.

...I agree with the nonny upthread who said most western believers are actually secular and just pay lipservice to their beliefs, as they maintain the rituals, etc., and there is a stark contrast between those who hear the words, and those who do. (Like the Christian Peacekeeper Teams in the Middle East, for example.) So...maybe we agree with each other?

I've often heard that position described as "apatheist." It's a useful term, I think.

ahahaha ohhhh that's not meant to be funny is it?

The banana thread is a little further up the page; I think that may be a little more your speed.

Sorry. It's just too close to "apathy" to not be gruesomely funny.

Well, yeah - that's the point. An apatheist is apathetic to the whole notion of gods.

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