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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2013-12-30 06:38 pm

[ SECRET POST #2554 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2554 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Hobbit movies, Silmarillion]


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03.
[Ripper Street]


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04.
[Avengers]


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[Sekai-ichi Hatsukoi]


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[Game of Thrones]


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[Sherlock Holmes/Star Trek: The Next Generation]


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08.
[Soukyuu no Fafner]


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09.
[Attack on Titan]


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[Goo Goo Dolls]
















Notes:

Secrets Left to Post: 02 pages, 050 secrets from Secret Submission Post #364.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 1 - not!fandom ], [ 0 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

Re: 'I'm agnostic'

(Anonymous) 2013-12-31 03:30 am (UTC)(link)
Your first statement is inaccurate, at least as far as most atheists I've encountered (and I would venture to say, a large plurality of atheists in existence) are concerned. Agnosticism is implicit. The way God(s) are commonly defined, they are inherently unknowable, so to label yourself in such a way that states that you don't know whether gods exist is redundant. It doesn't convey meaningful information, other than that you are not delusional - or perhaps that you think you're somehow more rational than people who are willing to share whether or not they have been convinced by theistic claims.

Re: 'I'm agnostic'

(Anonymous) 2013-12-31 04:39 am (UTC)(link)
DA
There is a difference between having something implicit in your belief system and making that same thing the center of your beliefs.

Re: 'I'm agnostic'

(Anonymous) 2013-12-31 04:53 am (UTC)(link)
Yes? I suppose I'm just not seeing what it is about a self-evident statement that merits being the center of one's beliefs. Any god for whom the question of existence is a legitimate matter of contention is a god whose existence is an unfalsifiable assertion. I don't see anything particularly insightful about stating that one cannot have certain knowledge about the truth value of an unfalsifiable claim. From my perspective, the better question is, "Do we have any reason to give any serious consideration to the unfalsifiable claim in the first place?"

Re: 'I'm agnostic'

(Anonymous) 2013-12-31 05:47 am (UTC)(link)
The difference is that you use the uncertainty as a safety net to avoid being wrong, while we actually embrace it.

To you, agnosticism is stating concrete beliefs, then shrugging at the end and saying "but I could be wrong," whereas for other people it means "there is no way to know, so I will embrace that and continue not knowing one way or the other."
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Re: 'I'm agnostic'

[personal profile] darkmanifest 2013-12-31 06:41 am (UTC)(link)
The way God(s) are commonly defined, they are inherently unknowable, so to label yourself in such a way that states that you don't know whether gods exist is redundant.

Uh, no. That's not how God has been commonly defined throughout my highly-Christian (Catholic school, Pentacostal churches, theist parents) childhood, by anyone. Just throwing one's hands up and going "we can't know God in any capacity, so do whatever" is pretty bullshit considering things like holy books and endless theistic debate exist for the express purpose of getting to know God. In fact, all religion claims to have utmost knowledge of God; that's why they oppose each other. Certainty is what's implicit in belief, not doubt, which is what agnosticism embodies.