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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-01-02 06:49 pm

[ SECRET POST #2557 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2557 ⌋

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sarillia: (Default)

Re: Finished Mockingjay a couple days ago. (and a Fred from Angel comparison?)

[personal profile] sarillia 2014-01-03 01:02 am (UTC)(link)
I didn't before but I will be picturing her like Fred from now on.

Also, I liked Mockingjay. Not as much as the others but I liked it. People complain about Katniss not having a lot of autonomy and being used but I enjoyed watching her regain her autonomy over the course of the book.
chardmonster: (Default)

Re: Finished Mockingjay a couple days ago. (and a Fred from Angel comparison?)

[personal profile] chardmonster 2014-01-03 01:21 am (UTC)(link)
...right up until the very end, where she loses her autonomy again.

It isn't so much her lack of autonomy as the fact that the narrative is so dependent on her perspective that we therefore miss huge chunks of the story.

That and the fact that she WENT AND VOTED FOR A FINAL HUNGER GAMES appears to go almost utterly unaddressed. No introspection from the constantly inward gazing Katniss! Nope! Let's just breeze past that bit!
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Re: Finished Mockingjay a couple days ago. (and a Fred from Angel comparison?)

[personal profile] sarillia 2014-01-03 01:37 am (UTC)(link)
I agree with most of this. It shouldn't have been stuck in her head. Which is why I'm looking forward to seeing what they do with the movie because I've been impressed with how they've been taking advantage of not having to stick with Katniss all the time.

I completely agree with you about how she voted. I've seen theories that she was just trying to placate Coin until she could get rid of her but there's nothing in the book to support that. There's no explanation at all.
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Re: Finished Mockingjay a couple days ago. (and a Fred from Angel comparison?)

[personal profile] weaselbee 2014-01-03 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
Yes, this. I wish it was a ploy until she could take down coin but the thoughts just don't string together in this book. Which would make sense considering her mental state, but it is just not good to read, especially when you compare it to the other books.

Re: Finished Mockingjay a couple days ago. (and a Fred from Angel comparison?)

(Anonymous) 2014-01-03 01:56 am (UTC)(link)
...I thought it was pretty obvious that she voted for the final Hunger Games so she would be put in a position where she'd have the opportunity and the means to kill Coin.
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Re: Finished Mockingjay a couple days ago. (and a Fred from Angel comparison?)

[personal profile] caecilia 2014-01-03 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
Y'know, I have a vague memory of inferring that as well. I should really re-read. I was going to re-read them as chard was reading them for the first time but I...haven't...done that...
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Re: Finished Mockingjay a couple days ago. (and a Fred from Angel comparison?)

[personal profile] chardmonster 2014-01-03 02:50 am (UTC)(link)
But it isn't obvious. It could have been made obvious. As read, it looks like she voted for the games, and then in the interim (based on thinking about what Snow said) she made a snap decision.

Re: Finished Mockingjay a couple days ago. (and a Fred from Angel comparison?)

(Anonymous) 2014-01-03 01:06 pm (UTC)(link)
The narrative holds back on explaining Katniss's thought process in order to build suspense. I think Collins flubs that slightly because, while Katniss doesn't always spell out her thought-process, she's never been this coy before. But there clues there to indicate to the reader that some subterfuge is going on. Of course Katniss Everdeen isn't straight-up voting for the Hunger Games to be reinstated. It's a shock tactic - you can't but be suspicious.

She tests Hamish to see whether he knows her well enough to understand that she's up to something. She votes yes "for Prim", which is a hefty nudge and a wink that she's not really voting to go back to how things were whe Prim's reaping started everything. Hamish gets it. After three books inside her head, the reader ought to too.

At this point, the question Katniss is wrestling with is whether she believes Coin and D13 are capable of using children's deaths (like Prim's) to gain the upperhand. Now she has her answer. Mockingjay Katniss has learned some things in the war and knows how to play a longer game by choosing her moment. She plays along long enough to get into position, but she still makes the exact same choice she did the first time she fought outside the box - she shoots an arrow at the gamesmaker.

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Re: Finished Mockingjay a couple days ago. (and a Fred from Angel comparison?)

[personal profile] leikomgwtfbbq 2014-01-03 02:37 am (UTC)(link)
Yeah that all just bugged me so much. I hope that they find a way to fix all that in the movies.