[ SECRET POST #2560 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2560 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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Comments

Re: That's because people on AO3 don't know how to tag.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt
Well, my point was that this issue can't be blamed on the stupid tumblrites but is something that needs to be handled better on AO3's end and I stand by that. Making volunteers explain things on tumblr is no solution and most people just don't go click around so much to figure out how things work.
I'm aware of how tag wrangling and the tags work but only because rubbernecking on the tagging wank used to be my hobby.

Re: That's because people on AO3 don't know how to tag.

[dizmo]

The top-fandom page as it is right now is eventually going to go away down the line with the whole Category Change thing, so this particular issue isn't gonna be a problem anymore at that point. Granted, that's still fairly far down the line, but it's temporary nonetheless and a sign that the coders are aware that it's an issue.

But nobody made me explain it on tumblr; I just kinda felt like it one evening.

Really, overtagging in the fandoms isn't a hideous problem on the wrangling end or something, I just feel a little bad when people are doing more work than they strictly speaking have to.

Re: That's because people on AO3 don't know how to tag.

[(Anonymous)]

DA

They seem to have forgotten the cartoon category. Will the cartoon category be seperated from the comics and graphic novels one? Throwing all three of them together was kinda annoying tbh.

Re: That's because people on AO3 don't know how to tag.

[dizmo]

With the caveat I'm not in Cat Change, so I'm not entirely up on exactly how it's going down at this point... It's a very early proposal. Not all of the categories and subcategories listed will end up being exactly as listed. The comments to that post are full of people making comments and suggestions and also being responded to, and I'm sure, although I haven't reread the comment threads in a while, that cartoons was mentioned by at least a few people.

It's a really tricky proposition to reorganize, and they're trying to be careful. It's also one of those things that will be impossible to make everyone perfectly happy with, but at least they're listening to feedback on it.

Re: That's because people on AO3 don't know how to tag.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh, thank you for such a quick response! It looks good, even if it is just a very early proposal. I was just wondering if they'd forgotten about that category or if they would split it up?

I'm not sure if tgis is your area either, but do you know if they've thought about putting the english title first/japanese title second to make it easier to find stuff when it comes to Japanese media? I understand wanting to respect the original source, but finding stuff there can ve a bit tricky if you're just scrolling for it.

Re: That's because people on AO3 don't know how to tag.

[(Anonymous)]

Argh, that question mark in the third sentence was meant to be a period. I'm on my phone and you've already answered that so ignore it.

Re: That's because people on AO3 don't know how to tag.

[dizmo]

Not sure on that one. It might yet be split up to some degree. 'Cartoons' is kind of nebulous and covers a lot in and of itself, depending on how any one person defines it.

On the fandoms page, all the multilingual tags like that that begin in a non-Latin script are alphabetized by the English name (or should be, at any rate. If any aren't, that warrants a bug report.) My kingdom for parallel canonicals, and many wranglers will probably say the same thing, because that will be a thing ultimately able to get rid of the awkward piped tags entirely. (Parallel canonicals being basically tags that have multiple canonical forms but still lead to the same works like synonyms. Its on the list of approved features for down the line, but that's going to probably be much later. At present, finding-in-page is your best bet otherwise.)

Re: That's because people on AO3 don't know how to tag.

[(Anonymous)]

Alright, thank you so much for answering my questions. You've been rather helpful and I cannot thank you enough for that. I will be looking foward to these changes when they come.

Re: That's because people on AO3 don't know how to tag.

[dizmo]

No trouble at all. Tags and categorization and stuff make me happy, so I'm always glad to explain what I know to the extent that I do. :)

Re: That's because people on AO3 don't know how to tag.

[(Anonymous)]

Sure, I didn't think someone held a gun to your head but you jumped in because the site doesn't explain itself and the posting forms probably aren't going to see an update in the next three years. I don't think overtagging is a huge issue either (I don't even load that site personally) and well, most people will probably continue to do so because adding an extra tag from the dropdown, just in case takes, three seconds as opposed to educating themselves for 20 min or so. It just annoys me when the casual users are insulted here for not understanding for how the AO3 works behind the scenes and that's what my response was about.

Re: That's because people on AO3 don't know how to tag.

[dizmo]

In that case, yeah, I don't disagree. There are ways to find out almost anything, but the nature of people in general mean that people aren't necessarily going to be finding them because there are different degrees of interest in such things as documentation and news posts and things and the posting form is intuitive enough on a basic level, at least, that looking for more info really isn't a requirement. Insulting someone for just not knowing something tends to be silly and a bit counterproductive, especially when it doesn't really make a difference in the long run on anything but an aesthetic level.