[ SECRET POST #2562 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2562 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

It was a combination of the two. Yes, their fathers disliked each other, but elves and dwarves also disliked each other on principle. At one point elves and dwarves got along, but not during the time period when LotR and the Hobbit took place.

[(Anonymous)]

NAYRT. My understanding was that there was bad blood between the elves and dwarves, after some balrog incident (that was the dwarves fault) that ended up killing a lot of elves.

Yes? No? Everything book!canon I learned, I learned from fanfic, so it may not be accurate. But that was definitely the prevailing theme in fanfic.

Anyway, if any of the above is sort of accurate, then yes, it was supposed to be a big deal that Legolas and Gimli got past their prejudices to become friends.

[(Anonymous)]

Just some additional information...

http://middle-earth.xenite.org/2012/05/15/what-was-the-cause-of-strife-between-elves-and-dwarves/

The author posits that it was the slaying of the petty Dwarves that was the real cause of the enmity between Elves and Dwarves. From everything I've read, there have been a few Dwarf/Elf friendships (Celebrimbor/Narvi; Eol and the Dwarves he befriended) but they are very rare and I don't think any happened in the Third Age except for Legolas and Gimli, which seems like a true friendship, where the other relationships had an element of teacher/student to them or coworkers who admired each other's skills.

There have been many times when Dwarves and Elves worked together but often it was not a friendly relationship; it was more 'the enemy of my enemy' kind of thing. For instance, Caranthir got much profit from working with the Dwarves but he openly scorned them for being unlovely. But they still worked together because nobody liked Morgoth and both Caranthir and the Dwarves were getting wealthy from the deal.

[(Anonymous)]

I'd say the sacking of Doriath was a much likelier cause of persistent enmity between Elves and Dwarves, especially if we're going to be discussing Thranduil's family. The slaying of the petty Dwarves happened very long ago, possibly even before the First Age and the return of the Noldor, and all recorded instances of friendship and/or cooperation between the two races occurred after the fact.