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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-01-07 06:32 pm

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[personal profile] chardmonster 2014-01-08 05:22 am (UTC)(link)
I wasn't trying to say that one wouldn't subjectively make more sense than another; religion's a very personal thing. I'm far from devout but Catholicism/Anglicanism makes more sense to me than most Protestant denominations because it's more syncretic and incorporates ritual. It also has a hell of a lot more feminine elements. But on an objective level--looking at culture from the outside--one faith doesn't make more sense than another faith. Does that make sense?

I have zero issues with atheism--I think it's a rational position. My issue is with how certain atheists on the internet conduct themselves. I don't think they're assholes because they're atheists; think they're assholes using atheism as another pillar to prop themselves up with. It's similar to having no issue with people enjoying My Little Pony but finding bronies annoying.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-08 09:18 pm (UTC)(link)
I definitely agree that from the outside, one religious belief doesn't make significantly more sense than another, but I think I was actually less willing to call that an "objective" perspective, because it's where I'm coming from - outside the perspective of religious faith - and I acknowledge that I'm bringing my own subjectivity into the issue, so I'm reluctant to call my own viewpoint the "objective" one. I can look with skepticism at members of one religion claiming to be more "right" than members of another, because to me, they've all got just as much (or as little) claim to truth or reasonableness... but that's the perspective of an atheist, and many people would be quick to point out that I don't have any greater claim to knowing than the members of either religion. I'm not sure if I'm actually getting my thoughts across here, or if I'm just saying words...

I appreciate you clarifying your stance on atheism; I think I get concerned sometimes because very often when people talk about "atheists who are assholes on the internet," the entire atheist movement gets tarred with the same brush - including the very large subgroup of atheists who are trying to make the movement more welcoming and inclusive (and are therefore viciously attacked by those same assholes). It turns what should be a valid complaint against a particular subset of people into a stereotype that gets used to attack all atheists. I'm glad that's not what you're trying to do, but in my experience, that's what too many conversations about atheism (including ones that have taken place here) end up turning into. That's why I was hesitant to get into it, because I didn't want to accidentally trigger another episode of "Atheists Are..."