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⌈ Secret Post #2570 ⌋

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[The Lying Game]

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[Hobbit movies, LOTR movies, Tolkien]

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[Perry Mason]

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[Carnivale]

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[Downton Abbey]

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[BBC Sherlock]

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[Lee Pace]

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[Virtue's Last Reward]

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[Deep Space 9]

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[Elementary]

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When Nightwing (from DC comics) was raped by Tarantula. The slight nebulous-ness of the rape and the creepy faux-romantic overlay of her acting so sweet and saying such loving things to him while she did it. And the fact that he was half-out of it with shock at the time, unable to properly resist, just dazedly thinking "it's never going to stop", referring to both the events of the preceding story and the rape. And the artwork and the atmosphere, the rain falling on them on top of the roof, and the masks, and the streetlights in the night...so aesthetically pleasing. I'm a sick puppy aren't I?

(And yes, I know about the writer's fail in the follow-up storyline and her commentary on the event, but still. So hot.)

Oh ffs. Listen, it's really simple: THAT WAS NOT RAPE. JFC. Rape, by necessity,needs to have a power imbalance, He could have easily stopped her, he chose not to. Without the power imbalance present in all of society against women, it is not rape. that is not to say that a man can not be raped, or even that a man can not be raped by a woman, but the woman needs to have some form of significant power over the man for it to be rape. this was not the case. he had the power to stop her. because he's fucking nightwing. he had the power to rape her. she did not have the power to rape him.

Secondly His protestations were not "I don't want this" but "I don't want to harm you" because he believed he was just responsible for a murder. He was not saying "No" he was saying "You might regret this"

Finally IT DID NOT HARM HIM. If anything it heal him. Rape is by it's nature harmful. He enjoyed it, it comforted him, and helped him on his road to recovery.

Can people please drop this "Nightwing was raped" bullshit? Please? It really devalues the word, and given how many super heroines are raped we really don't need that word to be devalued.

Oh my god, what is wrong with you? Rad!fem?

Rape does not need "power imbalance." It needs someone who doesn't want to have sex, and someone who doesn't care that they don't want to have sex.

You know what, why am I even bothering, you're obviously a troll. But fuck you anyway.

"Without the power imbalance present in all of society against women, it is not rape."

By that logic, if a non-white person brutally murders a white person, it can't possibly be murder because there is a power imbalance in society against non-white people.

Not really the same thing. Murder is far more black and white than rape. If there's a dead body at the end of it, it's murder. There is no such easy distinction with the crime of rape. A woman and technically consent, but can still be a victim of rape, there is no such comparable situation with murder.

But either way, that's not quite what I'm saying. A woman can always be a victim of rape by a male because of the societal inequalities present, a man can also be a victim of rape by a woman, but it requires a specific set of circumstances to qualify because the societal imbalance is not present in the womans favor. In this case the two criteria I can think of would be The woman must have some power over him, even if that power is just physical force, and tarantula had no such advantage, and the man must be harmed by the experience.

Bullshit. By saying "A woman can always be a victim of rape by a male because of the societal inequalities present" you're basically saying that women are always weak little victims who just can't help getting raped, the poor things. Incompetent, little, pitiable creatures, those women. Men? Men need to have a gun to their head to get properly raped, because men are strong and manly and those weak little women just can't go and rape those strong, burly men!

God, you are such a shitty person even for trolling with this. Fuck off and re-evaluate your life.

When it comes to major crimes, the last thing I'd call homicide in general is "black and white". There's a reason lots of court cases aren't about whether someone killed someone else, but whether it's murder or manslaughter. Or what kind of each.

Having sex with someone without their consent is rape. Or are you related to the Thicke family, perhaps?

Wow. Go fuck yourself. Rape is something that happens when a person has sex with another person without their consent. "Power imbalances within society" have jack-all to do with ANYTHING.

Also, she's a superhero too. She could have possibly overpowered him even if he had been in his right mind, which he was not, because he was basically catatonic with shock and barely knew what was going on. She had the power to rape him because he was shaken and weak and she was clear-headed and in control of herself. It's not all about physical strength.

Also, the author said it was non-consensual. She intended it to be non-consensual. (Now, she didn't describe it as rape, but rape is by definition non-consensual sex, so that's the author's misunderstanding of the word.)

AND how on earth did it help him? Did you even read the story? He went into a massive downward spiral after that. Yeah, mostly from the murder, but the rape sure didn't help. But even if it DID help, that doesn't magically retroactively make it not rape.

Just look at this: if it was a man doing that to a woman, it would be rape. If a boyfriend fucked his badly-shaken girlfriend when she was lying on a roof in a huddled ball of horror and too traumatized to say or do anything clearly and was telling him not to touch her, and pushes her down when she tries to gesture to him to get off, that's rape, even if his intentions were to "help" her. No matter what her motivations for telling him not to touch her were, no matter what his motivations for having sex with her were, and no matter what the final outcome of the act was.

The same thing applies when the genders are reversed. No ifs, ands, or buts.

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