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[ SECRET POST #2571 ]

⌈ Secret Post #2571 ⌋

Warning: Some secrets are NOT worksafe and may contain SPOILERS.

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[Revenge]

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[Vatta's War - Trading in Danger]

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[Dirty Rotten Scoundrels]

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[Doctor Who]

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[Sherlock]

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[Mass Effect]

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[Sleepy Hollow]

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[Star Trek: The Next Generation]

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12. [repeat]

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Secrets Left to Post: 01 pages, 022 secrets from Secret Submission Post #367.
Secrets Not Posted: [ 0 - broken links ], [ 1 - not!secrets ], [ 0 - not!fandom ], [ 1 2 - too big ], [ 0 - repeat ].
Current Secret Submissions Post: here.
Suggestions, comments, and concerns should go here.

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14. http://i.imgur.com/vYFrZ6y.jpg

Just because it's a bit shitty doesn't mean we're not disappointed. C'mon, isn't it better to have a glass half full attitude? As in "let's hope for the best episode this time".

Thank you ever so much for getting the theme song from The Twelve Chairs stuck in my head.

AYRT I have no idea what that is. Sorry! :D

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I hope we can get that good Doctor Who era, soon. RTD was awful, Moffat is not as bad as him, but isn't much better. I want the next one to be actually good, not just an improvemenr over the last one.

i don't really get your point. people should never complain about stuff, because maybe it's been worse before and it will probably get better later. erm?

having something you once enjoyed ruined for you by some dingleberry of a human being isn't "so what" to a lot of people.

Maybe OP is talking about the overreactions of those who are dissapointed rather than actively defending Moffat.

I think it's more that people are acting like Moffat is Satan and they need to calm down because he isn't going to be around forever. The secret is badly worded and seems to be stirring shit, but that's what I got from it.

I hate Moffat, and RTD was almost as bad, but whenever I'm going AAAARGH at bad Who episodes, I remember Delta and the Bannermen and know that nothing can be that atrocious.

"He isn't going to be around forever".

Citation needed. Do you have any proof that he'll stop before the day of his death?

He'll be the next JNT! Except willing!

THIS OH MY GOD D-:

Just looking at him gives me little tendrils of revulsion.

Oh, there's probably worse things.

*considers suicide at the thought*

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comradesmiler - 2014-01-17 01:24 (UTC) - Expand

No dog in this fight, but I think I'm in love with 'little tendrils of revulsion'. XD

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I couldn't agree more OP. Doctor Who is always evolving. It's just like when people get their undies in a twist over a regeneration. I have been a fan since the 80s and one thing for sure Doctor Who is like the weather, if you wait long enough it will change.

+1 but this time it can't come soon enough.

I do get that Doctor Who has been around for a long ass time and will eventually get to a place that people like again, but at the same time I have no issue with people saying they don't like Moffat or current Who. If they don't like it they don't like it.

But yes, you're right in that he won't be around forever (pretty happy about that myself); people are impatient though.

This is why I haven't quit the show yet, but I'm still going to continue to be majorly disappointed with him as a showrunner.

Of course he won't be around forever, but I don't particularly enjoy that a show is rather going downhill and I have to either quit it, watch and hope for the best with a lot of disappointment, or wait for someone to come along and make it good again.

What I find more frustrating about Moffat and his writing is that he refuses to admit that he has issues and mocks people for being insulted. It's like being back in middle school.

If people are insulting him, they deserve all the mocking in the world. No matter how much you dislike someone's works, insulting is crossing the line.

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I love Dr Who even when I don't like all the eps, and I don't hate Moffat. I don't like everything he writes, but I'm not against him or anything. I just have likes and dislikes.

I'm a big fan in that I watch Every Episode, but I avoid online stuff about it. OK, I wrote 1 fanfic a couple yrs ago, but I'm just a watcher now.

I think the most vocal fans get all the attention, but there are others of us out here too, that's all.

I did hate Dinos on a spaceship, though, and not a big fan of River Song.... But the first angels episode is probably my fave....

What worries me is that the talent pool for next showrunner is looking awfully shallow right now. Unless the BBC takes a risk and picks someone who's never written for the show before, we've got... let's see. Excellent writers who aren't available to write for Doctor Who full-time (Neil Gaiman, probably Toby Whithouse), excellent writers with fantastic extended-universe credentials whom the BBC wouldn't let near the head-writer spot with a ten-foot pole because they haven't done enough TV work (Nick Briggs, Paul Cornell), and mediocre writers who couldn't plot or pace a two-parter let alone a whole season to save their lives, but whom Moffat seems to be grooming as potential successors (Mark Gatiss, Chris Chibnall). Moffat's issues as a writer are spiralling ever further out of control, but they're still less bad than handing the show over to a hack like Chibnall who can't handle anything with more substance than a generic monster-of-the-week episode.

It kind of makes me worry about the show's future. It's a huge commercial success, sure, but a lot of that has to do with it getting picked up by BBC America and getting a huge US marketing campaign right around the time the writing started to go off the rails. I'm not sure how long the tapping of that mostly-untapped market can disguise the loss of interest and investment from people who were already watching it. For the rest of Moffat's tenure, sure, but if his successor isn't much better...

(This isn't gratuitous Moffat hate. There are things I like about his writing. But (a) his flaws have been getting worse and worse as he goes on, and (b) he has never been as good at capturing investment from viewers as RTD was, which spells very bad news for the fanbase. From whatever slice of the fandom my Tumblr dash represents, it looks like a lot of people are only tuning in anymore 'because it's there,' and the highlight of the 50th anniversary season was the six-minute Paul McGann short because it was the first time since sometime mid-2011 that I'd seen a bunch of people getting really genuinely excited over currently-airing Doctor Who. That's just sad, and bodes ill for the show's future.)

I'm driving by so I don't have time to chew the fat but I wanted to say I agree with most of what you're saying.

I will say Broadchurch series recently which Chris Chibnall did was pretty good, tense and well-plotted. It's not sci fi though. Plus it had the awful awful cliche about stay at home dads stinger at the end which was ugh ugh ugh. But in general it was good and made me a lil more hopeful about him.

I have really enjoyed some of Nick Briggs' scripts. *sigh*

Does the successor need to have had experience in children's telly like Moffat and RTD?

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