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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-01-18 03:10 pm

[ SECRET POST #2573 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2573 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 10:34 pm (UTC)(link)
But Bilbo succeeds mostly though luck. I meant what if say Gandalf chose him because hobbits are good at hiding, which they are, and Bilbo used *that* skill instead of the Ring to hide from the spiders and Elves, thereby proving to the warlike Dwarves that that humble, seemingly useless people can have their own specific talents and can turn out to be very important and helpful and that there are other skills worth valuing aside from martial ones. We don't learn much now but that small, humble people might luck out and find a magic token that will make them useful because otherwise Bilbo could have done nothing.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-18 11:12 pm (UTC)(link)
Most of it, yeah, but not all of it. And he uses his luck in active ways -- like getting the ring was luck, but his decision to use it for the barrel ride wasn't. And he gets more competent and more confident in making his own decisions over time. The ring would also have been useless if Bilbo hadn't decided to do useful things with it -- things that he thought of and put into action. The presence of luck doesn't necessitate the absence of agency.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-19 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
i think the whole point was that because biblo found the ring, something that had immense power that be could never have hoped for/desired, it made him be brave. it made him dare to do something out of his norm.
it's like a stepping stone for bilbo. would he have survived without the ring, probably not, but it was biblo who utilized the ring to his needs and not take advantage of it.
he became invisible to hide from the elves not to trick the elves on purpose, and that's why in the movies, he should've never been drawn to put the ring on by the evil forces~. He genuinely used the powers and it wasn't until after such an unexpected journey, back to mundane comfortable life, it is then you get into dangerous territory with the ring because he is taking advantage of the situation at hand to be above everyone else and use it for his own greed