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NO. Just. No. Sexual orientation has nothing to do with age. Mentally deranged people like to spout off about it being an orientation as a way to excuse their sick desires. It's a mental illness and should be treated as such.

It can be both things.

It's a sexuality, and it's also a mental illness (because it is disordered to the point that it affects the life of anyone effected)

I find these semantic word games in which if you don't continually claim something is only and solely the worst thing ever that means you're saying acting on it is okay.

Grow up anon.

Oh honey, you telling someone to grow up is the most ironic thing I've read all day. A sexual orientation has nothing to do with age. "Child" is not a gender or nongender. Sorry, maybe you're a closeted pedophile, or maybe you know someone who is, but it's not okay. It will never be okay.

He doesn't say it's okay, sweetie. What the fuck is wrong with you?

An orientation is something that IS okay, it's something that is not a mental illness/inherently wrong. To call the sexual attraction to children an orientation pretty much says that it's okay, when it is NOT. A mental illness is not an orientation, period. So what the fuck is wrong with you?

Why does an orientation have to be something that's okay? An orientation where you are attracted to someone of the same sex is okay. An orientation where you're attracted to children is not okay. What's the big issue here?

(Personally I wouldn't describe it as an orientation, but how does orientation = okay just automatically? Is that in the definition?)

I don't have a horse in this race, but this was my thought. The fact that there is more than one orientation that's perfectly okay does not logically preclude the possibility that a specific one could exist which ISN'T okay.

Because when you start throwing in persons that cannot give consent into the mix, you're taking it out of the realm of mental disorder and into the 'totally natural/born this way!' territory. It's pretty much for the first step for pedophiles to get accepted, and it's morally apprehensible to think this would be OKAY.

Why would that automatically be throwing it into the totally natural/born this way category? And why would that make it an okay thing? Plenty of genetic or from-birth mental defects are "natural" in the sense that people are just born with them for no reason, and that doesn't magically make those things okay. You're massively conflating terms and concepts.

Because as of right now an orientation is something that involves 1. gender(s) 2.Consenting adults. Remember when Homosexuality was considered a mental disorder? And how hard people had to fight to get it to be seen as a legitimate sexual orientation and not a disease? If you want the definition of sexual orientation changed+allowing a mental disorder to be considered a legitimate orientation, then what would stop homophobes from claiming Homosexuality is a mental disorder again?

It's a huge clusterfuck that doesn't need to happen. Children are a group of individuals that are not adults, cannot ever give consent, and are not a type of gender. Nothing about this has anything to do with an orientation, period.

Your definition doesn't make sense. Non-adults can have attraction to other non-adults and attraction is not necessarily mutual (for instance, a one-sided crush) nor does being attracted to someone require someone to act on it.

As it stands now, orientation is solely based on what genders someone is attracted to and how that relates to their own gender. Your second requirement is what legal and healthy relationships should be composed of.

As for if expanding to definition of sexual attraction to include pedophilia is a good idea this anon has put it best: http://fandomsecrets.dreamwidth.org/947446.html?thread=713163766#cmt713163766

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(Anonymous) - 2014-01-20 08:46 (UTC) - Expand

Sexuality is an incredibly broad multifaceted thing, and the idea that it's solely to do with gender or what we consider morally accpetable is entirely wrong. If you're really interested (I don't think you are in all honesty) I could dig out some of my old philosophy of sexuality books for some recs.

And yeah, I'll be honest, I do know a few people who were peadophiles, I was mostly involved in helping put the bracelets on them, and stripping their places for evidence, which sapped by humanity a little bit more, so I don't care to be preached at by some ignorant tumblrite.

Not a part of tumblr. Last I knew not considering the vile sexual desire to rape children as an orientation meant they owned a tumblr, who knew. Just because a few pedophiles go through their lives not hurting children doesn't mean they should be given the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. You know some pedophiles, wonderful, I know some people who were molested as children by your beloved child lusters. It's made their lives extremely difficult. A mental illness does not a sexual orientation make. People who are sexually attracted to animals aren't considered their own orientation, neither are people who are exclusively sexually attracted to inanimate objects.

Just because you want to throw caution to the wind and put the lives of innocent children in danger because "omg u gaiz no iz an orientation and soz not all dooz!" doesn't change that.

Woooow you're putting words in his mouth. That's all I have to say here.

samefag pls go and stay go

youre either radfem anon or projecting your shotacon fantasies on people who arent kneejerk morons who are so scared of talking about the reality of something because they know it makes them feel funny down their

Haha, nope. Hope you're having fun though.

I'm neither, though maybe you are? When you consider a mental disorder an orientation, you open up a can of worms that should never be opened. There are people who are strictly attracted to animals. Do they get their own orientation because of it? If you're saying "no", then maybe think about why you think it's okay to consider children, a group of individuals who can never give consen,t is okay to be considered part of an orientation, but not animals. Because both are equally horrid, and both have one huge issues. CONSENT.

How am I putting words in his mouth? He accused me of being from tumblr because I refuse to see a mental disorder as an orientation. He said he knew some pedophiles, and it jaded him. That's implying he feels sympathy for them, and when it comes to people who have the tendency to rape children then no sympathy can be afforded. It's too damn dangerous. I have two people in my life that were molested as children, my older sister and my boyfriend. You have no fucking idea how hard it is for them now as adult. So it pisses me off when people try to say these freaks deserve 'sympathy' or their disgusting desires be considered a legitimate orientation. Seriously, fuck you.

No the jading was having to see the worst side of peadophiles who act on their urges, which leads to an incredible level of moral cynicism - exactly down the route of the knee jerk they should all burn (actually this isn't entirely true, the feelings are an awful lot more complicated to unpick than simply that - but suffice to say, it doesn't make one the biggest supporters).

But I know, intellectually this is wrong. That the issue needs to be looked at from a rational perspective. Like any other crime, met plenty of attempted murders and gang rapists, doesn't mean I can't attempt to understand them and no how to limit them in the wider perspective. And this understanding points directly to one reality, that it is clear it is both an orientation and a mental illness, which practically changes how you have to deal with it.

It says nothing about the ethics or defence of it. And al that anger and violence is going to do is lead to less effective management of paedophiles, and let more kids get raped.

You live in England, right? So maybe you aren't aware of the history of Homosexuality in America, and how it used to be considered a mental disorder. It took decades of fighting to have Homosexuality be considered a sexual orientation BECAUSE IT WASN'T A MENTAL DISORDER. You want to change the very definition of what an orientation is, thinking this will somehow save children from being raped (And it won't. The only 100% way to keep children from being molested by pedophiles is to keep them away from children.) You haven't even stopped to consider the ramifications this would have on a very large part of the population.

Most of America is still fighting over whether or not Homosexual people should even be allowed to marry. If the definition is changed, there is nothing stopping certain parties from using that against people. People who are consenting adults, who don't have a mental disorder for being attracted to people of the same sex. It's ridiculous. And again, I'm glad that what you believe will never actually change the fact that pedophilia will never be considered legally a sexual orientation.

Re: "Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, not a disease." - quotes

ill_omened - 2014-01-19 18:40 (UTC) - Expand

Re: "Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, not a disease." - quotes

(Anonymous) - 2014-01-19 19:35 (UTC) - Expand

Re: "Pedophilia is a sexual orientation, not a disease." - quotes

ill_omened - 2014-01-19 20:05 (UTC) - Expand

You know what Heterosexuality, Homosexuality, Bisexuality, Asexuality, Pansexuality, etc, have in common? They are all geared towards one or more CONSENTING. ADULTS. You know what things like pedophilia and beastiality have in common? The second parties CAN. NEVER. GIVE. CONSENT..

Honestly, it's sick fucks like you that make me glad that pedophilia will never legally be considered an orientation.

Eh, you're kind of combing to arguments into one.

Ill_omened's stated the he thinks that pedophilia is both a sexual orientation AND a mental disorder. He hasn't stated he approves of pedophilia, he's simply stated that he thinks it's a sexuality.

What you should be doing is establishing your definition of sexuality so you can continue the argument without it devolving into semantics.

And your definition of gender-oriented sexuality doesn't make much sense to me. I mean under your definition, someone could be exclusively attracted to consenting adult redheads and it'd be a valid sexuality.

It is not a sexual orientation, however. Ill_omened is demonstrably incorrect -- and whether he approves of pedophilia or not, he is promoting a dangerous viewpoint.

"demonstrably incorrect"

Linked article by a well regarded academic shows this to be the case, and it's pretty well known to anyone in the field. Against what, that you're really doube plus sure because let me tell you how much I hate pedos and want to stamp them to death.

And there's nothing dangerous about the viewpoint. If someone is so ignorant as to fail to understand that explaining why someone does something is not condonning it, there's not helping them, their basic failings in logic mean they can misrepresent anything.

Except one academic's research doesn't mean anything. So he learned that pedophilia is biological -- so? Schizophrenia isn't a sexual orientation, and neither is pedophilia.

I can't believe you're still on this a whole day later. You're not going to change my mind as you are categorically wrong and your insistence on this is off-putting. Please stop.

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