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⌈ Secret Post #2577 ⌋

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[Theresa Lopez-Fitzgerald-Crane, from the soap opera Passions]

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I never really thought about this before, but after reading a Cracked article on it (here: http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-ways-were-programmed-to-think-women-arent-funny/) with the research done on this phenomenon, it kind of got me thinking about it. So I guess I'm wondering what your thoughts are on this. Have you as a woman ever experienced something like this yourself where you are seen more as obnoxious than funny when you try to joke around? As a guy, have you ever been expected by others to be the life of the party more than women? If you are a woman who tries to be humorous, were you ever silenced by your teachers who were lenient with boys who wanted to be the class clown? Have you seen more people call female comedians "unfunny" compared to male ones? Do you agree? Do you disagree? Why so? And do you have any recommendations for great comedians (guys or gals)?

Female here and... Not really been an issue for me? Tbf, I generally start with the jokes when I first meet someone and they're always at my own expense so that might effect it.

I don't think I've encountered it in any way at all outside of youtube comments.

I haven't really encountered it in my personal life since my friends think I'm funny (more so than I do actually...), but I've definitely heard people say that this is why there aren't as many female comedians as male ones.

The weird thing is I've heard the 'lady comedians aren't funny' from pretty much every guy I know(and some women too) yet they laugh at jokes I and other women they know make, I don't know if it's humour types matching up or what but I find it odd.

Could be confirmation bias. They remember the times they didn't laugh a a woman's jokes more than the times they did.

Huh, yeah that could be it.

I only knew anybody considered women inherently unfunny when I hit the internet. I laugh at women's stuff as much as men's, whether it's in writing, movies, or professional comedy, so...I don't understand that perception? At all?

It's ironic that Cracked would publish an article like that, since what I'm pretty sure was one of their first (outwardly) female writers, Christina H, got so much shit on every one of her articles, like each one there would be an argument in the comments over whether she was entertaining or not. Other writers with female names came along afterwards and got much better reception, and I still don't know if it's because she really wrote bad articles, or because she paved the way and any woman who came afterwards would be liked just for not being her. This article just reminded me of all that.

Cracked is interesting in that respect. There have been a few articles that kind of go into sexist issues, though I can't remember every single one. There's a few here(http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-reasons-your-online-dating-profile-isnt-working/), here (http://www.cracked.com/blog/5-responses-to-sexism-that-just-make-everything-worse/), and here (http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-ways-to-have-more-sex-right-now21-today21/). However, articles talking about sexism or misogyny tend to get the most vitriol thrown at them in the comments below. The same goes for articles that talk about racism.

So it's like, most of the Cracked Staff is for equality and being a decent person, where as a lot of the readers are the opposite. :/

I've noticed that trend, too. It makes me feel better that the bigoted comments on those types of articles get downvoted all to hell while the egalitarian ones get pushed up, which I like to think is part of why Cracked keep publishing them (the main reason being controversial clickbait). The readership isn't perfect, but it's not a cesspool where assholery automatically gets backpats like some internet forums.

I don't read Cracked much, but I get the feeling that the writers have a higher average maturity level than some of the readership because I've run across a number of articles written by men that basically amount to "Guys, you need to get your shit together and stop acting like childish douchecanoes. You'll be a lot happier and people will want to date you." I never read the comments, but presumably no one would write these things if they didn't think anyone needed to hear it.

I think it was both that Christina H was a woman, and that her articles just weren't that good. I don't pay attention to the by-line so I never know who wrote the article I'm reading, but I could always tell her articles from the introduction alone. I'm not surprised that most people didn't find her funny. And yet, the shit she got in the comments was due to misogyny and nothing will convince me otherwise. During the time Christina H was at her most prolific there was some other writer (Sean something? Or something with R? I'm bad with names) and his articles were a lot worse than Christina H's, but the even the comments pointing out how shit the articles were were a lot more polite and less RAEG than the one on her articles.

And the guy had the worst stans, I swear to god. If his articles weren't reason enough to detest him his stans would have been. Loki stans are a pure joy to be around compared to that group of people.

Have you seen more people call female comedians "unfunny" compared to male ones?

Yes. In my experience, male comedians seem to get excused more. Lots of "you just don't understand it" or "you just don't know how to take a joke" if someone doesn't find them funny, whereas if a female comedian is called unfunny it's just taken as fact. Most of this coming from men.

I disagree that there's a difference between men and women and humor capabilities. Anyone can be funny.

Sort of related, but I HATE anti-comedy crap like Tim and Eric. No, I get it, it's still stupid/unfunny.

I noticed early on in life that joking around and being silly the way I wanted to was "unladylike".

And I never gave a fuck.

I have heard it said from several sources that women, on average, laugh more/more easily than men do; so I could see a comedian's check being 'does it make me laugh?' and the female comedian checking 'yes' to more jokes than the male one does.

I'm female, and I almost never find female sitcom stars or other actresses to be genuinely funny.

As I recall, Ellen DeGeneres's stand-up comedy is pretty funny, but it's been a while since I've watched.

But then, I generally have little interest in female celebrities, anyway.

IMO being laugh-out-loud funny is a very different thing than being witty or having good comedic timing or just saying clever lines.

I know it's not what fandom likes to hear, but I actively prefer shows/movies with a mostly-male cast and in general I would strongly **agree** with the notion that women aren't funny, including professional entertainers and comedic actresses.

The only woman that I have ever seen being truly funny is Julia Louis Dreyfuss as Elaine.

Comedic actresses or sitcom stars can be witty or amusing, but that's a whole different flavor than being truly, hysterically funny.

I know I'll probably catch plenty of flack for it, but my honest response to the statement "women aren't funny" is to strongly agree.

I don't know if you read the article that was linked in the original comment. If you haven't, I think you should. (Here's the link again: http://www.cracked.com/blog/4-ways-were-programmed-to-think-women-arent-funny/) Then read your comment again, it makes (more) sense.

Have you as a woman ever experienced something like this yourself where you are seen more as obnoxious than funny when you try to joke around?

Only with strangers. A couple of months ago I started at a new work place and like I predicted to my old colleagues, my new colleagues really need to get used to me and my sense of humour. (Hell, they have to get used to the fact that a woman is cracking jokes...)

If you are a woman who tries to be humorous, were you ever silenced by your teachers who were lenient with boys who wanted to be the class clown?

Mmm, I guess so, but since I've always felt like a boy and acted accordingly, and again also as a result of them getting to know me and me persevering, in the end I was accepted as being me.

Have you seen more people call female comedians "unfunny" compared to male ones?

No, not really. But it's not something I regularly get into with people.

Do you agree? Do you disagree?

Yes and no. I do think that female comedians have a disadvantage in that they're not encouraged to be funny and all that so when they start out it seems there are (social) barriers they need to overcome. Once they're over that and they go out all guns blazing, it's fantastic.

And do you have any recommendations for great comedians (guys or gals)?

Gals: Sarah Millican, Joan Rivers, Jo Brand
Guys: Sean Lock, Billy Connolly, Eddie Izzard

I mostly hate it when female comedians think they have to be particularly crass to be funny - not because I don't think women should be crass but because I dislike humor based on bodily functions.
I feel like a lot of female comdedians seem to think that it's "empowering" or something, considering it's what a lot of male comedians do as well, so it's the only thing they do. I see where they are coming from, considering the girls/women are criticised a lot more than boys/men when they make jokes like that, but I still don't like that kind of humor, no matter who does it. The same goes for the same old "women and men are so different" comedy, and people complaining about their (fictional) boyfriends/girlfriends - at least when that's the only topic of a routine.

I'm female, and basically the definition of the "deadpan snarker" trope and people laugh at those jokes/remarks no matter what gender they are. I think it's a pretty gender-neutral kind of humor. I have never personally encountered men who said that women are always less funny. The only thing I've seen are guys who say they don't like certain female comedians, but they have their share of male comedians that they also don't like, so that's not a matter of "men funny, women not funny".

I hate this type of comedy as well, with women I think it stems from the whole "women are not crass so when they are that's funny"? As if the comedian being a woman is implicitely supposed to be the punchline.

Like I've heard a few times when I cuss or swear that it's funny because I'm a small woman and they don't expect me to do that.

Just a theory.

Yes, I think that's the main reason. I also think it's kind of amusing when some guys laugh their asses off when a male comedian tells a joke about his sex life/penis/male bodily function but are kind of disturbed when a woman makes a period/PMS related joke or something like "look, we women fart, too" - suddenly, things that were perfectly funny to them when a man does it become TMI business when a woman does. It's as if they dont quite understand that they don't make up the only audience for comedians. I still don't like humor of that variety, but I understand why it exists and also why female comedians may feel like it's a good choice for (part of) a routine.

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