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Case ([personal profile] case) wrote in [community profile] fandomsecrets2014-01-25 03:42 pm

[ SECRET POST #2580 ]


⌈ Secret Post #2580 ⌋

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(Anonymous) 2014-01-25 11:04 pm (UTC)(link)
This. Seriously, in a world where real racial slurs exist, whining about a silly fictional one is a waste of time. It's not even insulting - it's a number, just a number. If it were a slur that was clearly an insult (like, I don't know, something of the "shit-head" quality) that might be different.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-25 11:16 pm (UTC)(link)
I find this weird. You speak as if, even in real life, ethnic slurs and the likes are always specific insults. They're not. They're often words that have no inherently offensive meaning in themselves, or are even meaningless, but are derogatory anyway due to what they're associated with.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-25 11:33 pm (UTC)(link)
But ethnic slurs, whether inherently insulting or not, are real.

I can't believe we're having a conversation about how the word "Elevens" has racist power. The whole concept was created by a Japanese person and the Japanese people in the story are the protagonists. It's a plot device designed to make Japanese people victimized special awesome people, as is more than common in Japanese media.

If we got to a point in society where the word Elevens was adapted as a real racial insult, non-otaku type Japanese people were aware of the meaning, and it was used to actually insult them... maybe we'd talk about words evolving. But as it is, this is a ridiculous conversation to even be having.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-25 11:54 pm (UTC)(link)
The word doesn't have to have a wide cultural influence to be insulting on an individual basis. Any Japanese person who is aware of the word's fictional meaning coming into contact with someone using it, and what's more, using it without irony, could be offended, and with fair reason. It all goes back to intention, doesn't it? If you're not using the word ironically, why are you using it at all, unless you mean for it to be an insult? So yes, it makes the OP a dick.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-26 01:49 am (UTC)(link)
OMG, this thread. Somebody, somewhere, always and forever, is going to be offended at something. Even the number 11, apparently.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-26 03:19 am (UTC)(link)
Sure, and faggot is just a bunch of sticks. Don't be dicks to people, it's not hard. If you have to wonder, "Is using this word offensive to an entire nation?" it probably is.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-26 04:01 am (UTC)(link)
nayrt

did you really just compare "faggot" to "elevens"???

and then suggest that elevens was offensive to an entire nation?

(Anonymous) 2014-01-25 11:19 pm (UTC)(link)
You realize that a lot of slurs don't *start* from an offensive word, they become offensive because of the way people use them.

Jap was just a shortening of Japanese, still pretty offensive.

(Anonymous) 2014-01-25 11:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, "Elevens" is totally just like "Jap" and they have the same historical context and everything

(Anonymous) 2014-01-26 08:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Jap is pretty bad, it's better if you use Nips.