[ SECRET POST #2583 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2583 ⌋

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Comments

[fscom]

06. http://i.imgur.com/iMr0hR0.png

[(Anonymous)]

OPs of 5 and 6 are my new OTP. They should get together and have hate sex.

[(Anonymous)]

I was about to say this. 5♠6 for lyfe!

[herpymcderp]

+1 That is exactly what I was going to say. A-are you me?

[(Anonymous)]

Yes. They need to have lots and lots of hate babies together.

[(Anonymous)]

I don't think it's absurd, at this point, to say that Jackson pretty much straight does not get elves.

[lex_antonia]

This. I'm so glad they don't have the rights to the Silmarillion.

[(Anonymous)]

Well, he wasn't SUPER nice in the book--he DID take them captive on little reason, and he didn't help the refugees from Erebor when they first fled. I can see why they wouldn't have him being outwardly genial in the movie--kinda kills the tension a bit.

[(Anonymous)]

I really don't understand why so many people say he had little reason to take the dwarves captive. They riled up the spiders, crashed their party (multiple times) and wouldn't tell him why they were rampaging though his territory in the first place.

[(Anonymous)]

he DID take them captive on little reason

The dwarves trespassed on his land, seemingly ambushed his people at their feasts, riled up the spiders and when questioned, tell him nothing. That's suspicious behaviour and Thranduil has every right to be extremely suspicious because he's living in a forest infested with gigantic spiders that he's also sharing with Sauron. Faramir did the SAME THING with Frodo and Sam when he found them trepassing in Ithilien, and once he understood what they were doing there, he let them go.

he didn't help the refugees from Erebor when they first fled

That was a film invention,jsk. The closest Tolkien came to discussing Thranduil's relationship with Erebor was to mention that Thorin was planning to seek an alliance with Thranduil, Laketown and Dain to oust Smaug, which suggests that if there was any issues between Thranduil and Erebor, it was so minor that even Thorin was prepared to put it aside.

[(Anonymous)]

For that matter, why did he insert a pointless romance with a made up character? Just to make money at the box office.

[(Anonymous)]

uuuuum... did we read the same book? He was kind of a dick. I mean it wasn't as bad as in the films because it's a kids book, but still.

[(Anonymous)]

He was kind of a dick.

How so?

[truxillogical]

Ahh...no. I think Thranduil was a terrifying, unreasonable dickhole in the books. The Wood Elves in general were jovial folk, but he was a jerk.

I was kinda worried when they cast Lee Pace, who always seems so cuddly, but I was pleased that he got the snotty, xenophobic dick part down.

[(Anonymous)]

The first time I read the book, I had a similar sentiment where I did not like the Elf-King. But now I believe the opposite. He's super nice to Bard and Lake-town after the Dragon destroys it. He doesn't actually want to go to war over the treasure. And indeed, he doesn't get any treasure. He only gets gifts from Bard and Bilbo.

And even when he takes the Dwarves prisoner, they're kind of dicks to him. Thorin refuses to answer the simplest of questions. Balin insults him. And even then, he makes sure they have enough to eat and drink. He's a king and he has to look after his people. Letting strangers wander through his land who stir up spiders and then refuse to at least give him a reason why they're there would not be sensible. He owes it to his people to make sure they're not a threat.

[(Anonymous)]

Obviously Rankin&Bass felt pretty similar since their Thranduil is just as crazy.

[(Anonymous)]

In The Hobbit book? He was barely a character, just a plot hurdle called "the Elvenking" that the characters had to get over on their way to the mountain. Then he showed up again and was a different kind of plot device to create conflict, but more benign -- so I'm guessing when he shows up in the third movie, he will become more "decent and nice" via character development and form something of a relationship with Bilbo.

[(Anonymous)]

It's been years since I read the book but I recall Thanduill as a total douche canoe who happened to like partying. Um. Yeah.

[rbhudson]

I think in the original 3 movies, they didn't get to explore the hatred between elves and drarves as much

[mimi-sardinia.livejournal.com]

The story is mostly seen from the POV of the Dwarves (well mostly Bilbo's, but he's traveling with teh Dwarves). Do you really expect them to see Thranduil as a nice guy?

I will say, when I read the book (which was long after I read LotR, the Silmarillion, and even after I saw the LotR movies), I was left cold by "the Elvenking". He may have been protecting his people, but he was still a cold, anti-Dwarf ass, and I don't blame the Dwarves for not trusting him (and that was without the backstory of him standing by and doing nothing when they lost the mountain).

But then due to the aforementioned reading it after LotR, I was totally unimpressed with how Elves in genera (including Rivendell) were portrayed in the book of The Hobbit.

[(Anonymous)]

I haven't seen this one yet, but I noticed Jackson did that with a couple of other characters in LotR--Denethor in particular. In the books he wasn't the nicest guy and he certainly sucked as a parent to Faramir, but he still came across to me as more noble and less creepy, petty and bitter than the film version.

[ryttu3k]

I don't know, I can only speak for myself, but I've always loathed Denethor, even before the movies came out. Telling your son that you wish he had died instead of his brother is goddamn unforgivable (and I find the book version WORSE, since he specifically tells Faramir that he's disloyal and has basically disgraced him). The movie adaptation is more... exaggerated, I guess? But the book version, to me, came across as a horrifying arsehole with a very thin veneer of nobility, and the movie just showed that more openly.

[(Anonymous)]

Nope. Denethor was okay, but they kind of wrote Faramir badly. He is NEVER tempted by the ring.

[(Anonymous)]

Oh come on. Everyone was butchered in these movies. I can barely name a few characters whose core traits were not turned into crap.

[(Anonymous)]

Except that most of these characters didn't really have "core traits" to turn to crap in The Hobbit.