[ SECRET POST #2583 ]

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⌈ Secret Post #2583 ⌋

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Comments

[(Anonymous)]

Don't call two characters whose names are Sherlock and John by their name? Why, exactly? Please explain why these two characters are the only two versions in a hundred other versions of Sherlock Holmes and John Watson whose first names are reserved solely for their use? I seriously would like to know your reason for this.

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Nowadays, Sherlock and John are used to refer specifically to the BBC characters. Before the BBC series came out, there would be no problem with doing it, but nowadays it has different connotations.

Also, given that they are always referred to by last name, it's a bit like referring to Harry, Ron, and Hermione as Potter, Weasley, and Granger. But that's a rather irrelevant quibble.

[(Anonymous)]

1) Thank you for that response.
But
2) your hypotheses with only one solution is based on the rest of fandom sharing your exact perspective. No doubt some people will.
But
2a) others will not. Why not let people enjoy fandom however they want to enjoy it, which includes, but is not limited to, referring to characters by any of their given names, not just the ones of which you approve. If it truly bothers you that other people are not appreciating Sherlock on your level, please consider some advice:

http://xkcd.com/1314/

[(Anonymous)]

ayrt

Well yeah, ITA with that in theory, but in practice, almost everyone (except BBC-only fans) refer to only the BBC versions as Sherlock and John. Not just me. So the fact is that using the first names does refer to something different, not because there's something fundamentally wrong with referring to them by first names, but because that's just not how they're referred to by canon fans, and using their first names implies, to almost every canon fan you will ever talk to, that you're referring to the BBC version. It's mostly just a communication thing.

[truxillogical]

using their first names implies, to almost every canon fan you will ever talk to, that you're referring to the BBC version

Or perhaps I've just never been involved in the old school fandom. I read the books, I love the books, and I've talked about them with my friends in person. Never really felt the need to go jump into the online fandom. So I didn't know that there is a "correct" way to refer to them, and really, I think it's silly to insist that other people use it as some kind of swordfish password to prove that you're one of the "proper" fans. I guess it is just a communication thing, and I can see why it is, but hell, I just read books and talk about them with friends. At this point, I don't actually want to know all the secret-handshake ins and outs of Emily Post's Guide To Sherlock Holmes Fandom, because it's always seemed like a cold, smug sort of place where people really insist on things being Right and there being a proper interpretation of everything, and if I really want that in my fun reading again, I can go start a slap fight with an Oxfordian Shakespeare fan.

[(Anonymous)]

All this "ooh, it's all elitism and secret handshakes" is more about your inverted snobbery and hurt feelies that someone dared to suggest you might change your practice than anything real. Holmes and Watson are just their names in the books (used by the most casual observers, nothing to do with fandom), and how in hell it hurts or offends you to call them that, I can't understand. It's not a personal criticism. How on earth do you handle everyday life if you take such a hump at something so small?

Do you not say Dickens and Darwin, not "Charlie"? Shakespeare not "Bill"? I'd bet you do.

A polite "Oh, OK" would probably have served you better than all the rude and childish name-calling.

[fadeinthewash]

Holmes and Watson are just their names in the books (used by the most casual observers, nothing to do with fandom), and how in hell it hurts or offends you to call them that, I can't understand.

How in hell does it hurt or offend anyone to NOT call them that, I can't understand.

[(Anonymous)]

Aaaaand the accusations of elitism come out. Or you could, y'know, just be accurate.

[escriboconundedo]

i think i'm going to refer to th,em as potter, weasley, and granger, now. seems like good fun.

[(Anonymous)]

lmao what the hell you're describing it like they're slurs or something.

The context should make it clear which versions you're talking about.